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FOSDEM: State of the GNUnionFOSDEM: State of the GNUnionPosted Feb 7, 2013 11:09 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)Parent article: FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion I'm disappointed that a logo stated as featuring the Liberty Bell shows it from the uncracked side.
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FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 7, 2013 12:56 UTC (Thu) by marduk (subscriber, #3831) [Link]
Seriously?
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 7, 2013 13:25 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] Yes. The artefact in question is famous for being cracked. Show it from the uncracked side and it's Just Another Bell.
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 7, 2013 14:25 UTC (Thu) by marduk (subscriber, #3831) [Link]
I just thought it interesting/surprising that despite all the "meat" in the article that the sole thing that you thought to comment on was to bikeshed on whether or not a crack should belong on an image of a bell in a logo. Is that really all you got out of it?
Obligatory topical comment: I find the LibreJS thing interesting... and would be interested in seeing some studies on how the "browsing experience" compares to banning JS entirely (e.g. NoScript).
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 7, 2013 15:24 UTC (Thu) by deater (subscriber, #11746) [Link]
> I just thought it interesting/surprising that despite all the "meat" in
> the article that the sole thing that you thought to comment on was to > bikeshed on whether or not a crack should belong on an image of a bell > in a logo. Is that really all you got out of it?
I hate how people have taken the term "bikeshed" and turned it into some sort
I agree, without the crack that does not look like the Liberty Bell. In fact
Yes, Ma Bell. Posted Feb 7, 2013 16:57 UTC (Thu) by ds2horner (subscriber, #13438) [Link]
I could not have said it better. These were my thoughts exactly.
To the extent that there is confusion (and to a lesser extent disappointment) details are important.
It is surprising to me that a site frequented by so many programmers would question the need to get the minutia exactly right.
There is a fundamental idea here – (a meme?) - that at least a target audience would have a similar subconscious response to a symbol. The importance of getting that non-verbal message right is worth the effort of refining it.
My sole reason to bother with the comments on this article was to address the Ma Bell image I received.
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 7, 2013 20:05 UTC (Thu) by marduk (subscriber, #3831) [Link]
I think the point of my last comment perhaps wasn't effectively expressed.
I agree: it is a lousy logo, but pretty much all FSF/GNU logos are lousy. I think that goes without saying... which was actually my point; if I had to pick 5 things to comment on about the article, the quality of the logo would not have made the list. So it was not nearly understood by to me why it made it as the 2nd comment (of all the other alternatives). I guess I'm just different that way {;-)
bikeshedding about the Liberty Bell Posted Feb 8, 2013 0:40 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link] I have never thought of "bikeshed" as a pejorative term. The phenomenon has a name because it's ironic that the color of a bikeshed generates more discussion than the design of a nuclear reactor. But on closer inspection, it's perfectly understandable and not wrong.
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 8, 2013 8:19 UTC (Fri) by jezuch (subscriber, #52988) [Link]
I'm disappointed that the logo features such an extremely USA-specific symbol. I don't think I ever heard of the Liberty Bell until I accidentally stumbled upon in; I think I heard of Liberty Bell 7 (the spacecraft) and was wondering what this name actually meant.
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 8, 2013 10:23 UTC (Fri) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link]
That's the first time I ever heard about it. I was wondering what that bell on the logo was for and what it had to do with free software.
Hey guy ! You should get out of the US ! There are at least a dozen of humans out there !
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 8, 2013 17:37 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
so what logo do you use to indicate liberty?
if you are going to criticize a logo for being too US centric, at least propose something else to use.
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 8, 2013 18:04 UTC (Fri) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link]
OK, the end was a lame attempt at a joke, but you can't deny the fact that using a symbol that's completely lost for maybe 90 % of the target is a failure.
Before today, I had never ever heard about something named "liberty bell", what it symbolized etc. And I'm sure nobody around me did either.
And a last point. Some people think you can't criticize something when you don't have a bette proposition. That's simply not true, and I will never acknowledge this limitation.
FOSDEM: State of the GNUnion Posted Feb 10, 2013 18:52 UTC (Sun) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]
> Some people think you can't criticize something when you don't have a bette[r] proposition.
While I wholeheartedly agree, those who use this retort must also realize that you are leaving the search and (possibly) the implementation to others and if they can't get something better, then maybe this really is the best it could be. (Some who respond with the above statement forget its implications; I'm just being pedantic.)
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