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25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for WomenPosted Feb 3, 2013 13:41 UTC (Sun) by hummassa (subscriber, #307)In reply to: 25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women by efraim Parent article: 25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women
Your blindness is not the fault of others. And if you really don't see discrimination in the area of exact sciences in general or computing in particular, there is no other word to describe it.
Search news for brogrammier culture, difficulties of communication for women in electronic forums, inappropriate behavior towards women in software conferences, and other similar topics. Even LWN has some interesting articles to that respect.
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25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women Posted Feb 3, 2013 13:49 UTC (Sun) by efraim (subscriber, #65977) [Link]
You accuse me of blindness when I report what I see around me.
I don't need to tell you who behaves rudely here.
You might have a point or not, I frankly do not care since I do not mean to continue discussing with you in your tone.
25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women Posted Feb 3, 2013 14:15 UTC (Sun) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
I am truly sorry if I came across as rude. I did not have the intention of being rude. But I *did* have the intention of being blunt and absolutely without subtlety.
That being said:
> You accuse me of blindness when I report what I see around me.
I am reporting differently. Many, many others are reporting differently. So, if you want to see and evaluate things more objectively, it is *your* duty to look harder. Search the terms I indicated, talk to your female coworkers, hear out for what are the problems that women in tech complain all the time.
I used to think like you. "Hey, we are in the 21st century, discrimination is over". Then, good friends showed me that not only discrimination against women in every field is not over, but in the tech field it can be even worse. They showed me many things I thought and did were subtly discriminatory. They showed me that a toy story is a whole world of gender inequality. Ditto for school, in all grades. Social pressures everywhere steer Genial women away from exact sciences. Then I opened my eyes. I suggest you do the same. That's it.
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