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25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for WomenPosted Feb 2, 2013 17:25 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164)In reply to: 25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women by xan Parent article: 25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women
And by not engaging in dialog, how do you ever expect to change this? I don't know if the topic poster has learned anything, but I've seen a number of excellent rebuttals of his arguments which could/would be very informative for people who are at least somewhat open for discussion.
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25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women Posted Feb 2, 2013 20:13 UTC (Sat) by xan (guest, #58606) [Link]
The idea that every forum must welcome with warm greetings everyone regardless of their repulsive ideas just so that they can be "educated" is something that, in my experience, only privileged people that are not affected by those same ideas consider a great plan. The price we pay for doing what you suggest is that LWN, GNOME, and any other community, becomes a hostile environment for women or other discriminated groups.
My *personal* opinion is that I'd rather lose a hundred misogynists if by doing so I make this forum a better place for *one* woman, but that's just my opinion and not what I said in my comment. What I have advocated is a strong condemnation of the kind of blatant sexism that could decide programmes for the inclusion of women in free software are evil and pernicious. Seems like they least we can do.
25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women Posted Feb 2, 2013 21:39 UTC (Sat) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
> The idea that every forum must welcome with warm greetings everyone regardless of their repulsive ideas just so that they can be "educated" is something that, in my experience, only privileged people that are not affected by those same ideas consider a great plan.
You are right of course and I won't insult you by denying it. I have some dim inkling of the ways that I am privileged but the default is to be blind to it, something I am slowly learning more about as I age.
25 Women in 10 Free Software Organizations for GNOME's Outreach Program for Women Posted Feb 3, 2013 22:14 UTC (Sun) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
I agree that dialog is better. In this case I haven't noticed a real dialog though despite some trying to start one.
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