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(Nearly) full tickless operation in 3.10
Classic mode questions
Posted Jan 28, 2013 14:36 UTC (Mon) by nye (guest, #51576)
Your 'sufficient' solution is orders of magnitude more difficult than the 'not necessary' solution. Fixing this requires either:
a) Finding and employing a team of sufficiently skilled people for sufficient time to solve the problem - let's say financing ten person-years, for a rough order of magnitude (I would hope it's somewhat less than ten, but one is clearly unrealistic, given that it entails catching up with a constantly moving target from a position quite a long way behind)
b) Waiting until either somebody else does this, or
c) Waiting until enough volunteer time goes in to provide the equivalent result.
Some combination of b and c is the most probable outcome, but we're still looking at a few years yet, at least. In comparison, buying new hardware is simple and relatively cheap.
That's not to say that it's the *best* solution, since clearly we'd all like to have working high-quality drivers for all the hardware we can buy, but saying "oh, x isn't necessary because you can just do y" is silly when x is a far easier option than y.
Posted Jan 28, 2013 18:44 UTC (Mon) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715)
Depends on the bug in question ... we don't have any details nor a bug report with details.
> a) Finding and employing a team of sufficiently skilled people for sufficient time to solve the problem - let's say financing ten person-years, for a rough order of magnitude..
No idea where you are getting this numbers from but if fixing it costs more then buying new hardware then sure go ahead and buy new hardware. To go back to the car analogy if fixing the car costs more then buying a new one I'd rather go and buy a new one.
Posted Jan 28, 2013 21:34 UTC (Mon) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
I don't think it is terribly controversial to say that 3D with Nouveau is less than super-stable. The driver is also blacklisted by Google Chromium for WebGL, for whatever that's worth (they seem to have a high bar though).
My solution for now is to use a desktop that exercises only the more mature, 2D parts of the graphics driver. I may give a GNOME shell / mutter based environment (i.e. Cinnamon) another go when I upgrade to F18, as it has a blacklist and (I gather) will fallback to soft-rendering (or can be made to).
Posted Jan 29, 2013 11:32 UTC (Tue) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715)
Posted Jan 29, 2013 14:18 UTC (Tue) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
I noticed it is related to system resources somehow. Meaning: if I don't open too many tabs in Firefox, it is way more stable.
Posted Jan 29, 2013 16:57 UTC (Tue) by Thanatopsis (guest, #14019)
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