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Dividing the Linux desktop
LWN.net Weekly Edition for June 13, 2013
A report from pgCon 2013
Little things that matter in language design
Yes, so powerful it _cannot_ help you with reordering of elements, for instance. It also requires fiddling with source code, as it has been pointed out numerous times.
I have an idea. Why don't we just have autoexec.bat and config.sys. That'll fix it. :-)
Classic mode questions
Posted Jan 27, 2013 12:03 UTC (Sun) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715)
That's plain wrong.
You can write extensions to reorder whatever you want to reorder.
> It also requires fiddling with source code, as it has been pointed out numerous times.
It does not require "fiddling with source code" ... writing code is enough. Or get someone to do that for you.
> I have an idea. Why don't we just have autoexec.bat and config.sys. That'll fix it. :-)
The extension system allows that as well. You can write an extension to read those files and do actions based on their contents. ;)
Posted Jan 27, 2013 12:25 UTC (Sun) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
Then there's the remaining set, who even if they had the inclination, couldn't do it in a reasonable amount of time. Further, some significant subset of those will not have the inclination.
Really, it's 2013, and we can't re-order icons with the mouse by default? It's approaching 20 years now since the days of complex config files for window managers were seen as a good thing. And at least back then they were primarily declarative - which didn't require programming skill (things like m4-preprocessed config file systems excepted).
Posted Jan 29, 2013 0:15 UTC (Tue) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
Really, it's 2013, and we can't re-order icons with the mouse by default?
Exactly. It's 2013 and that's why we don't reorder icons with mouse. MacOS had the ability to reorder program icons in 1984. MS Office 97 had the ability to drag-n-drop menu items in 1997. But you can not rearrange program icons in iOS 6.1 and menu MS Office 2013!
I'm still not sure if it's good trend or not, but it's not like GNOME is the only program which moves in this direction.
Posted Jan 29, 2013 8:32 UTC (Tue) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
In both Android and iOS you have complete freedom to add, re-arrange and remove the short-cut icons on the default / "home" / front screen.
Posted Jan 29, 2013 16:22 UTC (Tue) by mgedmin (subscriber, #34497)
What was your complaint again?
Posted Jan 29, 2013 16:30 UTC (Tue) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
Posted Jan 29, 2013 18:31 UTC (Tue) by mgedmin (subscriber, #34497)
Posted Jan 30, 2013 7:49 UTC (Wed) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
Posted Jan 27, 2013 13:29 UTC (Sun) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
The silly suggestion that users should ask someone to write code when they want to move something on their desktop is truly amusing. It does remind of config.sys and autoexec.bat days and ordering of drivers, so they can all fit.
Posted Jan 27, 2013 15:05 UTC (Sun) by drago01 (subscriber, #50715)
A extension can allow reordering using DnD and it can as well write a config file (or use gsettings) to store them. It can also listen for other extensions that get enabled (after it got loaded) and reorder them as well.
Before claiming that others "obviously" don't understand anything please go and read the code you are talking about.
Posted Jan 27, 2013 22:27 UTC (Sun) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
Please, look at some of the extensions and how they clash with each other in this way. Without predefined, central configuration, which decides on what goes where with finality, it is not possible to have deterministic behaviour.
Posted Jan 27, 2013 23:32 UTC (Sun) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
So, the Gnome Classic is more like Gnome Classic Ultralite. Just looks like it, but really doesn't do the same thing.
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