Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark [LWN.net]

Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Jan 25, 2013 22:14 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
In reply to: Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark by tetley80
Parent article: Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

That's not valid logical argument. Taking in all the relevant information including the size and availability of the maintainership of a code base are reasons for making distribution decisions. It is not "underhanded" to make rational decisions nor is it necessary to thow up the bureaucratic smoke screen about "documented criterion" as if decision making is about some mechanistic following of a pre-written rule book. You can take all of this as just more evidence to service your prejudices or you can try to better understand the world around you and why things happen, the choice is yours.

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Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Jan 25, 2013 22:50 UTC (Fri) by tetley80 (guest, #88691) [Link]

nor is it necessary to thow up the bureaucratic smoke screen about "documented criterion" as if decision making is about some mechanistic following of a pre-written rule book.

I can understand the need for flexibility, but the use of a "documented criterion" cannot be simply dismissed as "bureaucratic". If one does not have good and well thought basis for making decisions, then one gets arbitrary decisions which can lead to strife, such as UI regressions. If "documented criterions" did not work, nations wouldn't have laws and constitutions.

There is obviously a trade-off between codification and flexibility. However, in this case it is my strong opinion that too much flexibility in the UI area has provided a disservice to the Fedora community.

You can take all of this as just more evidence to service your prejudices or you can try to better understand the world around you and why things happen, the choice is yours.

A nice condescending comment. I do not wish for this discussion to degenerate into a flame fest, so I will not entertain this further.

Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Jan 25, 2013 23:16 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link]

"UI regressions"

You keep using that phrase as if it means something other than "I don't like this UI", but I don't know what.

Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Jan 30, 2013 0:04 UTC (Wed) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]

I think you've participated in enough discussions here on LWN, including with myself, that actually explained what that meant. And I see you keep repeating this "question" as if it was never answered.

You know, stuff like this. Changing workspaces took one mouse click before and one view change (using GUI). Now it takes several, including a lot more mouse travel. Desktop visibility is zero, which was not the case before. The amount of pixels that change when working remotely using VNC has been significantly increased, which makes things even slower over poor links. It is practicality impossible to move items on the panel or define new panels using techniques available for at least two decades. Etc.

The _measurable_ stuff.

As I pointed out numerous times, Gnome 3 overview is essentially an implementation of RFC1925(6). That in itself is a regression, because everything is one step further away.

Unfortunately, nobody in Gnome development team is brave enough to acknowledge any of these facts. Instead, we are getting an Ultralite Gnome Classic, which just looks a bit like "classic", but it can't do most of the stuff that was possible before.

Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Jan 30, 2013 8:49 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]

"brave enough to ack that"

Learned loaded question in another article :)

Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Feb 2, 2013 3:46 UTC (Sat) by fandingo (subscriber, #67019) [Link]

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/464/workspacebar/ took two minutes to find and two clicks to install. That seems to completely alleviate your workspace problem.

Clasen: GNOME 3.7 at the halfway mark

Posted Jan 26, 2013 20:40 UTC (Sat) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

I may be condescending but while I don't care for GNOME 3 Shell either I think that stating so plainly is sufficient, one doesn't need to go fishing for procedural reasons to reinforce ones opinion. I don't think you can successfully argue that having available, dedicated resources for maintaining a software project shouldn't be a criteria for a distribution accepting it and making it part of the default, whether this is written in a procedural manual or not.

If you don't like GNOME 3 Shell just stand up and say so, no need to beat around the bush.