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Fedora 18 releasedFedora 18 releasedPosted Jan 15, 2013 17:52 UTC (Tue) by ssam (subscriber, #46587)Parent article: Fedora 18 released
Unfortunately F18 only has a some of MATE available in the repos. Several packages as missing, eg mate-panel-applets (so no system monitor in the panel, one of the things i miss most GNOME3). There are none of the MATE applications, so you must use the GNOME3 versions (not so big a deal if it were not for the next issue). Poor integration GTK3 apps are not themed and lack icons.
mate-about is pretty awesome though :-)
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stopping my escape? Posted Jan 16, 2013 12:48 UTC (Wed) by rzm (guest, #116) [Link]
I am just in proces of moving to Mint. One of the reasons is the abrupt cancellation of GNOME2 on Fedora some time ago. I am not sure if GNOME3 finally allows moving of the top panel but in MATE it is definitely possible and as easy as in old GNOME. I hate wasting top space I lack anyway instead of using space on the side which I have even to much on my laptops screens.
MATE on Fedora could be an easy solution but it seems that generally they still force the unmature GNOME3 and MATE is a second class citizen for them.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 16, 2013 14:10 UTC (Wed) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
I'm my view, there is the GPL which allows all kinds of benefits such as forking. Also Fedora follows a review process for packages which ensures the quality meets a certain standard. This results in various desktop environments being available. Then there are also technologies which provide you with various spins, allowing you to more easily choose another desktop environment. Then I also read about people calling Fedora one of the best distributions for KDE.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 16, 2013 21:52 UTC (Wed) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] It's the first time I read that, but I do know they're putting in good work. Just wish it would show up in the release announcement, "updated with many new features and improved stability and performance, including updates to the Dolphin File Manager, Konsole, and KWin Window manager. " doesn't sound particularly impressive, despite this being quite an impressive release. Yeah, it's close to the new 4.10 from KDE, but still, 4.9 was good in it's day ;-) Meanwhile, it is sad to have to see basically three different GNOME-ish desktops included (four, if you include XFCE, but that has been around for a long time)... What a fragmentation. Not two years ago, GNOME probably was #1, now it's fighting for 3rd place in most polls. I've stopped using it on my laptop too, it just has too many little annoyances. With GTK development also in a slum , I'm glad Qt didn't become the de-fact toolkit for Free Software just cuz of that but is doing better than ever before all on its own with Open Governance and all that.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 17, 2013 9:17 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
Someone recently researched the number of commits to gtk+. Number of commits is increasing. Does not matter if you take out the translations or not.
For release notes, I assume it is the same as everywhere. Nobody likes to write release notes, and it is pretty often forgotten.
I have not used KDE in ages, and I remembered the quote wrong. See the subscriber-only article for the exact quote.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 19, 2013 22:01 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] Someone recently researched the number of commits to gtk+. Number of commits is increasing. Does not matter if you take out the translations or not. Well, that's good news. I know there'll always be orders of magnitude difference between development speed the two toolkits, then again - Qt has a rather larger ambition than just being a FOSS desktop toolkit, so that isn't bad in itself. For release notes, I assume it is the same as everywhere. Nobody likes to write release notes, and it is pretty often forgotten. Sure, sure. Wasn't trying to yell that loud ;-)
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 17, 2013 18:27 UTC (Thu) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Not two years ago, GNOME probably was #1, now it's fighting for 3rd place in most polls.Do you have any references, please? I always struggle to find out how my favorite environment (XFCE, what else) is doing in these turbulent times.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 19, 2013 22:30 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] I didn't have anything specific in mind, but a google gave me the yearly linuxquestions.org poll for example (XFCE is 2nd, close to KDE) (2012 ones require an account it seems). Different nr's in different places though, in CZ, GNOME Shell is 2nd, same here.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 19, 2013 23:27 UTC (Sat) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Good data points. My popcon data always shows GNOME well ahead, but that is because it is the default desktop installed. XFCE4 seems to be ahead of KDE, and GNOME seems to have an interesting bump about half a year ago -- but it is an artifact of the total number of Debian installations.But I never know if I get my packages right -- actually I firmly believe I get them wrong.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 18, 2013 5:57 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Fedora release announcements are already large and don't have the space to go into details about the changes in the desktop environment. There is a very short blurb and that's the same for GNOME, KDE etc. If you want more info, release notes have them. If we include all the info in the announcement, it will just be a wall of text. How would that be really more preferable?
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 19, 2013 21:56 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link] Well, in three sentences you can do more - I'm not saying to add more text, just think it could be more efficient. The GNOME one, while being only 2 lines, still manages to say something concrete. The KDE one is as vague as it gets, talking about 'improvements'. Compare: KDE Plasma Workspaces 4.9: KDE Plasma Workspaces has been updated with many new features and with: The update to version 4.9 of KDE's Workspaces and Applications brings many improvements including Note that I picked stuff at random. I didn't mean to be complaining or blaming anyone or whatever - it's fine with me. Just trying to point out a possible improvement.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 19, 2013 22:11 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
None of these are really Fedora specific changes or improvements contributed by Fedora which is the sort of thing that we tend to highlight in the release announcements but if we are talking about upstream changes, sure, we could rewrite the blurb to be better and ideally that sort of thing will come from contributions by the KDE team within Fedora.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 19, 2013 22:31 UTC (Sat) by jospoortvliet (subscriber, #33164) [Link]
Oh, I surely get the logic behind that - the team working on it should contribute such descriptions.
stopping my escape? Posted Jan 17, 2013 8:58 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> I am not sure if GNOME3 finally allows moving of the top panel but in MATE it is definitely possible and as easy as in old GNOME
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/208/panel-settings/
Go to there. Click the switch to 'on'. Go to your user menu in the upper left hand corner and go to the new panel settings menu. If it doesn't show up then alt-f2 and type 'restart' to restart gnome-shell.
That's one way. There are probably others. Took me all of about 30 seconds of effort to find this one.
Fedora 18 released Posted Jan 16, 2013 13:57 UTC (Wed) by SEJeff (subscriber, #51588) [Link]
Cinnamon actually isn't all that bad if you want the GNOME2 experience.
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