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RHEL 7 and Gnome extensions
Posted Jan 10, 2013 2:16 UTC (Thu) by tetley80 (guest, #88691)
Red Hat could have included the considerably better KDE 4.4 at the time of finalising RHEL 6, and it is puzzling that they didn't. If I recall correctly, KDE 4.3 shipped in July 2009, while KDE 4.4 shipped in Feburary 2010. RHEL 6 was released in November 2010.
While I don't disagree that a decent amount of spit'n'polish is required to bring open-source software up to enterprise standards, I disagree that this should take around 15+ months (ie. the gap between KDE 4.3 and RHEL 6 release dates). Viable explanations for this are that Red Hat doesn't really care about KDE, and/or that Red Hat didn't fully trust KDE developers to minimize possible regressions between KDE 4.3 and 4.4 (which would be a puzzling attitude in itself, given that the point of new minor releases is to improve things).
I'm hoping that Red Hat will not make similar mistakes with Gnome 3.6 / 3.8 when it comes to composing RHEL 7. With the amount of Red Hat employees working on Gnome, there should be more trust that things are not going to break between releases.
To be clear, I'm not advocating the constant update of Gnome components in RHEL. Instead, I'm advocating that the choice of Gnome components in RHEL 7 should be based on UI usability and ease of discovery from the point of view of people used to "preceding" desktop paradigms (ie. most people).
The jump between Gnome 2 and 3 is massive in terms of how the interface has changed. As such, Gnome extensions (that allow the desktop to behave in a more traditional manner, ie. classic mode) are absolutely essential.
Posted Jan 10, 2013 10:49 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
It seems a bit weird though that you seem to want arbitrary versions of software, yet use RHEL. It is not known to provide the latest versions of any software (e.g. advocating a GNOME version which is still under development and 2 versions ahead of what is in latest stable Fedora). If you don't want the GNOME provided by RHEL7, then RHEL6 will still be supported until RHEL8 is out.
Regarding crashing program (Kate), raise a ticket?
Posted Jan 10, 2013 15:08 UTC (Thu) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
Well, Ideally you should just be able to upgrade the stuff you care about.
That way you only deal with the crap you want to deal with and let the rest of the OS stay the same. The idea that you need to upgrade your entire OS to get a latest version of Kate (or whatever) is idiotic.
Posted Jan 10, 2013 16:20 UTC (Thu) by tetley80 (guest, #88691)
No, that's not my intent.
It would be awfully nice for Gnome 3.whatever shipped in RHEL 7 not to rely on the online Gnome extensions site (which is always in flux [*]), and instead ship a stable set of extensions (as a package) that enable classic UI elements. This can be done for whatever version of Gnome chosen by RH.
[*] A quite probable use case scenario: user gets a RHEL 7 box with Gnome 3.n interface and is stumped/annoyed/etc due to the UI change. He/she finds a nice set of extensions on the Gnome extensions site to make the UI more "traditional". Fast forward 1 year, when the user wants to setup a RHEL 7 box for a friend, as it's great for xyz. The online extensions now require Gnome 3.n+2, and no longer work with Gnome 3.n. The friend is sh*t-out-of-luck and is highly displeased by being stuck with the weird interface in RHEL.
Posted Jan 10, 2013 17:04 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
In any case, the site does not require any specific GNOME version. In theory it could and there are no guarantees. Still, same situation exists for Firefox and various other software.
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