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Quotes of the week

Posted Jan 9, 2013 0:26 UTC (Wed) by geofft (subscriber, #59789)
In reply to: Quotes of the week by mirabilos
Parent article: Quotes of the week

Huh, the tact filter point is a good one. I'd read that essay before, but never connected it. I don't think it would be a particularly inaccurate summary of the diversity conversation to say that the community should be open to people who weren't picked on as kids as well as people who are (and that one easy way to do that is to change the assumption of the default filter -- you don't insult anyone by having too much "tact", but you do insult them by having too little).

I do personally know dozens of people (mostly women, as it turns out, but several men) who are all quite competent programmers, but have gotten the impression somehow that the community they want to participate in does, in fact, look down on them, or that they're not "hardcore" or knowledgeable or accomplished enough to participate in that community. I agree with you that in almost all cases, this isn't true. But it only takes one person saying "yes, I actually look down on you" to make someone think this is representative of the community. Going back to the tact filters, it's very easy to convince someone that "they don't really mean it" is untrue. And then the tact filter crumbles, and everyone else is interpreted as if they do really mean it.

There is arguably something of a correlation with the tact filters, come to think of it. People who have the tact filter installed in the picked-on-nerd direction will just go ahead and do or say something, assuming that other people will ignore them at their own discretion. People who have the tact filter installed "correctly" will feel presumptuous participating somewhere where they think they shouldn't, absent a clear statement that they should.


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Quotes of the week

Posted Jan 9, 2013 0:37 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

> There is arguably something of a correlation with the tact filters, come to think of it. People who have the tact filter installed in the picked-on-nerd direction will just go ahead and do or say something, assuming that other people will ignore them at their own discretion. People who have the tact filter installed "correctly" will feel presumptuous participating somewhere where they think they shouldn't, absent a clear statement that they should.

I think you are correlating to somewhat unrelated things

1. the filter direction (and the probability of feeling offended)

2. reluctance to participate.

I have seen a lot of people with their tact filters in the "correct" direction who can be extremely pushy about getting involved with something, so I don't think this is a very good correlation.

The "tact filter" explination does go a long way towards explaining the offense that some people take over comments that were not meant to be offensive. Not just related to "nerds" but also in other fields

Quotes of the week

Posted Jan 10, 2013 21:00 UTC (Thu) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359) [Link]

It’s not something people choose, after all… but it makes for some interesting explanation models of observed behaviour and difference in interpretation of such.

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