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On assignment as it relates to enforcement

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 20, 2012 22:21 UTC (Thu) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642)
Parent article: GnuTLS, copyright assignment, and GNU project governance

I'm the only person in the world who is involved with both Software Freedom Conservancy and the FSF, and I've also likely spent more time on GPL enforcement than anyone on the planet, so I feel I have some authority to speak on that subject.

The article is correct wherein it says that Conservancy's GPL compliance work has shown that enforcement is possible in a multi-copyright-held project. I do that every single day. But, there is no question that the work is easier if the non-profit that seeks to enforce holds an overwhelming majority of the copyrights.

Basically, those of us who enforce in the USA used to think that the curve between “copyrights held” to “ease of enforcement” was exponential — in that it got exponentially easier to enforce the more copyright you had. In fact, I think my work has shown that the graph is probably linear. Each few lines of copyrighted code that's assigned makes it that much easier to enforce. Here's why:

Simply put, the GPL violation defending lawyers have gotten more obsessed than ever with delay tactics. They try to raise every spurious issue they can think of to delay you, distract you, or otherwise try to avoid bringing their client into compliance with the terms of GPL. If you don't hold all the copyrights, they'll focus on that issue. For example, I had an executive of a large computer maker tell me that his lawyers say copyright infringement claims are legally invalid unless you hold a majority of the copyrights. This is completely asinine and clearly incorrect in the USA, but violators make these arguments all the time. As another example: I was once deposed in a court case for 8 hours about the topic whether or not BusyBox's configuration files magically made Erik Andersen's copyrights fail to appear in the binary work. That's a spurious argument that I spent 8 hours refuting, yet the violator's lawyer again brought it up in the Court as a defense that we had to refute.

In that sort of climate, I don't blame my fellow FSF Directors from being skeptical about ending copyright assignment. You can guess, and I've said publicly, that I think FSF should take my Conservancy enforcement work into account, and they are. But, when I am asked: Isn't it easier to enforce when you have all the copyrights?, my answer has to be: Yes, it's easier. It's a trade-off; there's no question. My personal position is probably obvious on this, since I have written often about preferring multi-copyright held projects myself, but even I admit to being annoyed by the downsides from time to time.

I wish the culture of violator-defending lawyers would change. I wish enforcing the GPL weren't so difficult. It's a bleak situation out there, and I talked about this in my interview on GPL enforcement with The H this week. But, I know that both FSF and Conservancy have one thing in common: both organizations are working hard to uphold the GPL through compliance and enforcement activity. No other non-profits in the world are doing that.

(Note, as I said in my interview The H, gpl-violations.org isn't a non-profit organization; it's just Harald Welte and a group of volunteers. Harald does good work, but he's also posted on lwn and elsewhere to note he's been busy on other important projects and not involved as much with enforcement lately.)


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On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 21, 2012 1:20 UTC (Fri) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]

Why not, instead of transferring copyright, have contributors give some kind of right of representation? I.e. grant the right to act on behalf of the copyright owner when it came to copyright infringement, to the extent needed to negotiate for and/or sue for any damage or restitution? Give the copyright holder a right to veto any action perhaps.

Wouldn't that cover things?

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 21, 2012 1:50 UTC (Fri) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link]

paulj asked:
Why not, instead of transferring copyright, have contributors give some kind of right of representation? I.e. grant the right to act on behalf of the copyright owner when it came to copyright infringement, to the extent needed to negotiate for and/or sue for any damage or restitution? Give the copyright holder a right to veto any action perhaps.

[ Speaking purely on behalf of Conservancy first.]

Amusingly, you've basically precisely described the agreement that Conservancy makes with BusyBox, Linux and Samba copyright holders whom Conservancy represents. However, I'd point out again: this is the kind of a thing that violators love to use as a distraction to waste time. For example, if you read the history of the Conservancy v. Best Buy et al case, you'll see plenty of the Defendants arguing that Conservancy should be fully dismissed from participating in the action. Again, Conservancy found that argument incorrect and spurious, and the judge agreed and never dismissed us from the case as lead Plaintiff. Yet, I spent hours helping our lawyers draft responses on that issue, which they in turn spent many more hours on too!

That's what a lot of people don't understand about USA Court proceedings or indeed any type of legalistic enforcement action: the other side obsessively looks for every pointless issue they can find and then pretends it is the biggest show-stopping problem in the world. This is particularly true when you line a non-profit with very little resources up against a big, wealthy tech company who hires fancy $800/hour (or more!) lawyers. Their strategy is to wear you down by wasting your time. The simpler the situation, the easier the enforcement is.

[ Ok, putting both Conservancy and FSF hats on for the rest of the response.]

Conservancy has decided it wants to take on this complication, but I wouldn't begrudge FSF for not being sure it wants to have to do this work. I think the ideal situation is when the non-profit holds an overwhelming majority of the copyrights, as that would get most of the benefits of having all the copyright but still not make copyright assignment necessary for every little patch, but rather just from the really heavy contributors.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 21, 2012 19:24 UTC (Fri) by lonely_bear (subscriber, #2726) [Link]

Out of topic. Why would lawyers are allow to do that without punishment? When they are wasting everybody's time using pointless arguments, should they be fined, up to forbid from practicing in law? We will have less ridiculous court cases.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 21, 2012 20:19 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]

because sometimes they are right to pick at what others consider 'minor details'

The Justice system in the US is biased towards the accused (in spite of what it sometimes seems when reading headlines, those headlines are there _because_ they are unusual)

As for the reasoning behind it, Ben Franklin put it

> it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer

John Adams wrote a more extensive justification, part of which goes:

> It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished.

> But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 23, 2012 2:35 UTC (Sun) by JanC_ (guest, #34940) [Link]

It should never be forbidden to use "minor details" in a court case, but using things like "you don't own all or a majority of the copyright", which have been proven to be false several times already in previous court cases, should be considered a sign of either an incompetent lawyer or one who tries to play games with the court.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 23, 2012 14:09 UTC (Sun) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link]

dlang, I don't think these quotes related to criminal prosecution relates correctly to civil legal matters. While I agree that minor details sometimes ferret out major issues, many defense attorneys in civil matters for wealthy clients use the system's tendency to allow such issues to be heard as a way to outspend plaintiffs. That happens to us all the time: it ain't cheap trying to enforce the GPL for the community!

And, to be brutally honest, we even have people in the community who want businesses to adopt Free Software, even if it's in violation of the licenses. So, they work against us too, sometimes.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Jan 6, 2013 17:30 UTC (Sun) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link]

Because the American system (read Groklaw for enlightenment) expects lawyers to zealously advocate for their client. Unlike in jurisdictions like the UK, which (as I like to put it) assumes that "people acting in good faith don't end up in court".

As a result, "loser pays" means that one side (not necessarily the loser!) ends up paying pretty much the ENTIRE bill for the court case. If Bradley was in the UK, he would typically find that, in the normal case, all his victims would be paying him to sue them.

Under those circumstances, of course, he probably wouldn't have much work (not that that would displease him).

Cheers,
Wol

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 22, 2012 18:24 UTC (Sat) by heijo (guest, #88363) [Link]

The problem is that most people just won't bother to contribute if they have to send anything in the mail to do so.

It's already a miracle that someone contributes for free, and making him do ANYTHING boring, costly or time consuming, like mailing paper documents, is the quickest way to drive most contributors away.

IMHO copyright assignment is insane for this reason.

It's far more important to further improve the software than to be better able to defend it, especially since it's really rare that a GPL violator effectively competes with the original software, as opposed to just making a derivative for a niche market.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Jan 3, 2013 11:20 UTC (Thu) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link]

Yes. *precisely* this.

It's a -huge- barrier. Sending a pull-request on GitHub for a 20-line fix you made is a 2-minute job.

Printing, enveloping, adressing, signing, driving to post-office, buy postage (to an abroad location, ofcourse), mail, wait for a week or a month -- *then* send a 20-line patch ?

Forget it. Not happening.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Jan 7, 2013 2:43 UTC (Mon) by jrn (subscriber, #64214) [Link]

The FSF accepts scanned and emailed paperwork these days, at least sometimes.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Jan 17, 2013 14:28 UTC (Thu) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]

>The FSF accepts scanned and emailed paperwork these days, at least sometimes.

Only for those in the US and Germany, AFAICT. Probably not coincidentally, those are the countries for which the paper version is already least onerous, as it doesn't require international mail.

On assignment as it relates to enforcement

Posted Dec 23, 2012 13:50 UTC (Sun) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link]

I just realized that quote from the executive at the computer maker had a typo and should s/are/aren't/, to read instead: copyright infringement claims aren't legally invalid unless you hold a majority of the copyrights.

I think the intent of the quote was clear because of the unless part, but to be abundantly clearly: he was arguing that copyright claims are invalid legally without all copyright holders, which just isn't true.

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