|| ||Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako-AT-redhat.com> |
|| ||Development discussions related to Fedora <devel-AT-lists.fedoraproject.org> |
|| ||Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora? |
|| ||Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:41:46 -0500 (EST)|
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Miller" <email@example.com>
> To: "Fedora Development List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:17:56 PM
> Subject: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?
> There is a perpetual problem facing all Linux distributions around
> how fast
> to move with software updates. In Fedora, of course, our default
> speed is
> petal-to-the-metal. This is part of who we are and why we are
> However, it also sometimes makes life difficult for us -- for
> example, our
> Puppet packages are broken because Ruby is too new. It also makes
> difficult for people trying to use Fedora seriously. It's especially
> with Ruby and Java -- not that there's anything _wrong_ with these
> languages, but the packaging expectations are different and often in
> conflict with the system operator's traditional packaging worldview.
As a Java guy I'm more and more sure that the problem is not in the packaging view but in the wrong
view of developers not being capable of making an application if they don't bundle everything.
You're write the problem is not in the languages it's in the developers :(.
Red Hat Eclipse team
> So, some Red Hat folks have developed an idea called Software
> which is aimed at this problem -- it lets you install and choose
> different versions of RPM-packaged software in parallel at run-time.
> The base tool for enabling this (scl-utils) is included in Fedora,
> but we
> don't allow Software Collections actually as Fedora packages (see
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SoftwareCollections). This is for very
> reasons -- there are a number of huge unanswered questions around
> infrastructure, maintenance, and security updates.
> I think, though, that this tool, integrated well and supported, could
> help us in Fedora (and in EPEL). So, I'd like to
> a) enumerate the problems with Software Collections in Fedora,
> b) develop a medium-term plan for solving those problems, and
> c) develop a longer-term plan for taking full advantage of the
> where appropriate.
> Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁
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