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Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do?Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do?Posted Dec 7, 2012 22:22 UTC (Fri) by el_presidente (subscriber, #87621)Parent article: Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do?
> when a local search program has a network search feature, it should be up to the user to choose network search explicitly each time. This is easy: all it takes is to have separate buttons for network searches and local searches
He seems to be out of touch with reality. If a person is going to search for something it's usually something on the network. Getting results from Amazon every time you search sounds incredibly annoying but I imagine most people understand that Amazon's servers aren't running on their system.
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Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 7, 2012 22:59 UTC (Fri) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] No, you're flaming RMS without even understanding what he is objecting to. Ubuntu is sending the results of local searches, and searches of the package database to Amazon as well. There's no reason for that other than to raise money, the user is not expecting it. The EFF has also objected to the scheme.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 1:49 UTC (Sat) by el_presidente (subscriber, #87621) [Link]
askubuntu.com/questions/38772/what-lenses-for-unity-are-available
The amazon thing has been implemented badly, but their search feature is clearly meant to be universal. In fact, they're advertising it as something that doesn't do only local searches.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 14:20 UTC (Sat) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link]
Yeah, but the point is, BY DEFAULT you CANNOT DO a local search!
If I'm looking for a document that *I* wrote, and is stored on *MY* computer, then if that computer is Ubuntu *by* *default* searching for it will try and find it on Amazon. NASTY!
Talk about a security risk! What if that's your doctor looking for a medical letter and using personally identifiable information along with the illness? Now Amazon know what illnesses you suffer from!
Cheers,
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 19:14 UTC (Sat) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link]
Files lens (Super+F) is what you'd probably want to use if you want to do local document searches on your computer but don't want to disable online results completely from the settings. The Dash Home search is a global search for all the lenses, and some of the lenses like music/movies(/shopping) are more naturally online oriented nowadays since that's from where people generally get content.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 21:50 UTC (Sat) by mdeslaur (subscriber, #55004) [Link]
Of course you can do a local search. Click on the third tab in the dash, or open the local search in the dash directly with super-f.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 7, 2012 23:07 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link] He seems to be out of touch with reality. If a person is going to search for something it's usually something on the network. I don't think you should be so eager to point the finger, either about who may or may not be in touch with reality, or whether it is normal to search the network or not if you are searching for something. Certainly, if I use In fact, Ubuntu 12.10 already gives hints about uninstalled programs at the command line (and here was I thinking that the "spoof" bug reports about this controversy were joking about some future feature), but this might well be based on a locally installed index inverted over the Personally, I think the Ubuntu people should just focus on delivering a reliable product instead of trying to "monetize" every click and key-press.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 0:35 UTC (Sat) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
> Personally, I think the Ubuntu people should just focus on delivering a reliable product instead of trying to "monetize" every click and key-press.
They have to survive to do that and it is difficult to survive without money, in some form or another. Even volunteer effort is paid for by a "day job" and so indirectly by an employeer.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 6:15 UTC (Sat) by allesfresser (subscriber, #216) [Link]
Hmm, Debian seems to have survived without this kind of nonsense, and survived quite nicely.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 16:37 UTC (Sat) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link]
Are you saying all the Debian developers are unemployed? Or are you misunderstanding the previous comment.
Okay, I'm unemployed :-( but people can't work for nothing at all. They'd starve. And I strongly suspect that, even if the Debian developers aren't paid to write for Debian (and many probably are), they ARE paid to develop software.
Cheers,
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 10, 2012 12:03 UTC (Mon) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
There's a difference between being paid by a sustainable business model that respects the customer and one that monetizes every click and key-press, however.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 3:02 UTC (Sat) by imgx64 (guest, #78590) [Link]
> In fact, Ubuntu 12.10 already gives hints about uninstalled programs at the command line (and here was I thinking that the "spoof" bug reports about this controversy were joking about some future feature), but this might well be based on a locally installed index inverted over the dpkg -S data, but I foresee a time when it too queries some "App Store" or other to be more "helpful".
You mean this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/main/command-not-found ?
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 5:39 UTC (Sat) by deepfire (subscriber, #26138) [Link]
Yes, this is another example, and guess what -- it is opt-in in Debian, and yes, opt-out in Ubuntu.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 8, 2012 5:42 UTC (Sat) by deepfire (subscriber, #26138) [Link]
I wish I wasn't in such a hurry to reply..
As it stands, there's no effective privacy-related difference between Debian and Ubuntu here. It seems.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 11, 2012 13:42 UTC (Tue) by micka (subscriber, #38720) [Link]
In my opinion, opt-in v.s. opt-out is privacy related, and is quite effective.
command-not-found Posted Dec 8, 2012 18:22 UTC (Sat) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
... and similar software is included in Fedora, again by default in newer versions. You can uninstall the package, or if it bothers you but not other users on the same machine you can tell bash not to run the handler.
Stallman: Ubuntu Spyware: What to Do? Posted Dec 9, 2012 11:04 UTC (Sun) by misc (subscriber, #73730) [Link]
For now, the system use the local indexes of apt/yum/whatever to tell you where is the package you tried to use. There is so far no privacy issue, as this doesn't leave your computer.
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