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Posted Dec 2, 2012 23:36 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129)
And now YOU are accusing ME of ignoring other people's arguments? Sorry, you're ridiculous.
Posted Dec 17, 2012 16:43 UTC (Mon) by wookey (subscriber, #5501)
Read what tuomas wrote again and see if you can understand why your forthright advocacy is not helping.
It no longer an entirely technical question.
In principle I don't care at all what my init system is, but currently, after reading many of these threads and comparing what the upstart people say in comparison to what the systemd people say, and especially the way some of them say it, it's looking as if upstart is the preferable init system for me. Compare your posts with vorlon's in this particular thread, for example (approx bout 6 of this particular fight).
Did you see that? it wasn't a technical argument. You will dismiss it along with all the previous ones. You still won't have got me on your side.
Posted Dec 17, 2012 17:28 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
I would just like to point out that regardless of what HelloWorld or oldthomas or you or I say it doesn't change the design and implementation of Upstart and systemd so there are real technical arguments and you can safely ignore partisans and fan-bois on either end.
For my part the systemd design of dependancy resolution for process startup, the process monitoring and watchdog that gets rid of the need for daemontools, the reliable process shutdown and ability to have multiple instances of a particular daemon without having to do brain surgery, the simple config file format with includes and clear overrides that allows one to repeatably set up the process runtime environment, the built-in support for all the Linux container and security and resource management features and on and on and on are reasons why I think systemd is the better tool.
It's kind of similar to the arguments around SVN and git replacing CVS, there are real technical reasons why so many distros who didn't find enough value to make the jump to Upstart are jumping to systemd.
Posted Dec 17, 2012 18:03 UTC (Mon) by wookey (subscriber, #5501)
And relating to your analogy, I'm one of the people that much prefers SVN over git, so am clearly a hopeless luddite anyway. :-)
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