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Fedora 18 Beta is outFedora 18 Beta is outPosted Nov 27, 2012 19:18 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)In reply to: Fedora 18 Beta is out by johannbg Parent article: Fedora 18 Beta is out
How is Fedora Board responsible for the subject LWN wrote?
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Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 19:19 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
To clarify, it is a Red Hat press release and corrections should be sent to their PR department and Fedora Board is not involved in that process directly.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 19:36 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]
It's enough that Red Hat invents position within the community and more often than not plants people not even from the community into those position and it's certainly over the line when it then claims the release for the community's hard work.
Most certainly the board should directly be involved when the community is violated like that...
Perhaps in the future LWN could stick with official marketing material and announcements from the projects marketing group instead of passing on Red Hat's one...
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 19:40 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
If you want to request the board to involved which is not a unreasonable request, there is a advisory board mailing list for that. Currently Red Hat press releases have real connection to the Fedora Board. I don't think LWN is going to refrain from publish press releases because they contain mistakes. The news is still important.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 20:42 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]
I'm perfectly well aware of the boards mailing list and their trac instance and I never said LWN should refrain from publishing press releases because they contain mistakes.
I'm just saying they should stick to the upstream one instead of passing on corporate claiming community's work their own.
In fact I expect it to be announced then and there on the 22 but no later then 24 encase the lwn writers were to busy participating with their loved ones in the holiday irony that the thanksgiving and black friday are.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 21:34 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Since you are aware, you might want to direct feedback about requests to board to those places instead of here and yes, you are indeed complaining that LWN published a press release instead of a community announcement when in fact, no such community announcement exists. If you look back on all previous releases, LWN has published community announcements.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 23:53 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]
"Since you are aware, you might want to direct feedback about requests to board to those places instead of here"
You mean the same board that I have had open ticket with over a year now to clarify the project stance against RHEL customers. An ticket which they could have copied more or less Matthews response on -devel at that time and wikify it. Thanks but no thanks...
"and yes, you are indeed complaining that LWN published a press release instead of a community announcement when in fact, no such community announcement exists."
Yes that is exactly what I'm doing and at the right place doing so and I know I responded with exactly that knowledge that no such announcement had been made that I was aware of 25 minutes *before* this comment of yours here...
Which rather begs the question how the whole marketing community, our FPM and our FPL missed that....
"If you look back on all previous releases, LWN has published community announcements."
Yes and you don't see me complaining about those published community announcements thus your point being?
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 28, 2012 0:14 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Your other board tickets are not relevant to this discussion. My point is that you are complaining at the wrong place about the wrong things but that's not new.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 19:20 UTC (Tue) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] Um....we didn't write that subject line...?
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 19:41 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
Yep. I misread that.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 20:10 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]
I very well aware that LWN is not responsible for Red Hat's subject line but you are responsible for published Red Hat's announcement instead of [1] which gives good credit to the community's hard work and users patiences instead of claiming it ( which Red Hat is doing in it's subject line )...
1.http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2...
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 20:39 UTC (Tue) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]
> published Red Hat's announcement instead of [1]
The post you point to is nearly a week old, not a release announcement for the beta. Perhaps there is a better choice for a community-generated release announcement (though I didn't see one in a quick look), but what you point to is not it, I'm afraid. We generally prefer those kinds of announcements over press releases (with proper or improper subjects), fwiw.
jake
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 27, 2012 21:09 UTC (Tue) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]
I'm not so sure where that statement is ( it's not where it should be [1]).
We have an standard operating procedure for it and Jaroslav Reznik should have filled it out ( or someone from the marketing community ) but I guess that Robyn forgot to mention/remind him of it ( he's new to FPM ) since she was to busy cooking thanksgiving for the family while attending the no/go meeting.
It comes as no surprise to me that it happened thou since the lack of communication is after all the theme of this release ;)
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 28, 2012 7:00 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link]
This is an idiotic argument, please take it offline with the editors if you feel you must discuss it. For the rest of us -- LWN published a Red Hat press release, unedited, just as they publish a dozen or two items every day. End of story.
Besides, everyone knows Fedora is under Red Hat and many Fedora developers are paid by Red Hat. The Fedora developers who resent this subject line (if they exist) should work on another project.
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 29, 2012 23:40 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (subscriber, #65743) [Link]
" Besides, everyone knows Fedora is under Red Hat"
Now what gave you that notion ah right subject line like that...
Fedora 18 Beta is out Posted Nov 30, 2012 0:34 UTC (Fri) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
Question,
You guys have received previous pr emails from RH concerning fedora releases in the past prior to this right?
Have previous emails used similar subject constructions. I'm particularly interested in the email sent concerning the F17 release if you received one.
I just want to verify if this is indeed a pattern of behavior or a just a one time mistake, a mistake that has been publicly apologized for already actually. So this isn't a witchhunt, but more of a bracketing of the problem space.
-jef
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