It used to be hard to tell whether someone hated (or loved) LLVM because of something actually in LLVM, or just because it's (nominally) coded in C++. Now that Gcc is officially (if also nominally) coded in C++, we may observe who newly hates both, and draw our conclusions. Note that some already hated both, so we can't tell anything new about them -- although many of us hold opinions already. In principle a similar proviso applies to those who already loved both, or do now, but that has no practical application.