GNOME Shell to support a "classic" mode [LWN.net]

GNOME Shell to support a "classic" mode

Posted Nov 22, 2012 22:32 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
In reply to: GNOME Shell to support a "classic" mode by Rehdon
Parent article: GNOME Shell to support a "classic" mode

First comment I noticed is this one:
https://lwn.net/Articles/526359/

Where you complain that I personally insulted someone. It was not a personal insult, nor meant as one.

I don't care at all about "brand" and all the other stuff you're adding to this. Seems you're getting very emotional and personal for no good reason.

So again:
"No need for stupid sarcasm, thanks."

Was NOT intended as a personal insult. It also is NOT a personal insult. If you read it as such, I did NOT mean it that way.

In any case, you continuous behaviour (condescending, getting personal, and psyco analysis of me as well as other GNOME developers): Rich to complain about me taking the high ground.

Noticed you never replied the times I stated I did NOT an personal insult. Also, you seem to have ignored my request to go to FOSDEM.

Trying to be constructive here and understand, but even if I was wrong somewhere, you're not making things any clearer for me with this kind of conversation style.

This is going nowhere, so this is the last I'm going to say.

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perhaps my opportunity to be flamed ...but

Posted Nov 25, 2012 9:12 UTC (Sun) by ds2horner (subscriber, #13438) [Link]

When I first read "No need for stupid sarcasm, thanks.", I considered it a personal attack, a criticism of the individual making the comment and not a constructive criticism of the comment.
I suspect you do not have a good appreciation for what the word sarcasm means nor the implicit derision the word conveys.
A normal denotative meaning of sarcasm (according to New Lexicon Websters Dictionary 1990 edition) is "n. a cruel humorous statement or remark made with the intent of injuring the self-respect of the person to who it is addressed ...".
So, by labeling the comment as sarcasm (not matter the intent of the "stupid" qualifier) you made a value judgment of the speakers intent and character; and that being a negative one. Thus it would usually be seen as a personal attack on the speaker.
However, in my opinion, even the use of "stupid" in such discussions is sufficient to be offensive, especially as its secondary mean (from the same reference dictionary is "adj. ... resulting from lack of intelligence". And you appeared to understand this as you gave an excuse for your use of the adjective.

perhaps my opportunity to be flamed ...but

Posted Nov 26, 2012 10:11 UTC (Mon) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]

OK, I did not find bkor's response offensive. I understand that dealing with a community that is critic with something you care about can be tiresome and at times frustrating. That's OK, and I would like to encourage bkor to continue defending what he/she believes in.