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Gnash, Lightspark, and ShumwayGnash, Lightspark, and ShumwayPosted Nov 22, 2012 0:12 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)In reply to: Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway by dtalen Parent article: Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway
> vast majority of users are going to prefer Adobe's implementation because it will work, and Shumway may not.
That assumes that the users are going to be able to GET Adobe's implementation.
Remember that Adobe has stopped development on Flash for Linux. So new versions are going to have features that you just can't get on Linux.
so users may end up being forced to choose between the Adobe version that will work for some things, and another version that works on other things.
This completely ignores the problem of vulnerabilities in the released version and what that will eventually do to the 'everyone should just run the Adobe version' mindset.
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Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 22, 2012 1:16 UTC (Thu) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link]
The big issue is mobile. Adobe doesn't offer an implementation for any mobile platform anymore. On mobile it's basically Shumway or nothing, and it's not hard to beat nothing.
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 22, 2012 23:41 UTC (Thu) by douglasbagnall (subscriber, #62736) [Link]
> On mobile it's basically Shumway or nothing, and it's not hard to beat nothing.
Actually I have been trialling nothing for about a year now, and on balance find it to be my preferred swf player. The only feature I really miss is an h264 decoder, which sometimes tempts me to use other browsers. So while I thoroughly approve of Shumway, I can't bring myself to install it and thereby lose my nothing.
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 23, 2012 22:10 UTC (Fri) by KaiRo (subscriber, #1987) [Link]
Mozilla is working on getting h264 decoding to work by using the hardware or software decoders already present on systems. AFAIK, that's even implemented in some of the latest Firefox for Android versions.
Using that together with Shumway will hopefully enable even a number of video sites to work that do not (yet) serve HTML5 video.
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 27, 2012 15:58 UTC (Tue) by lambda (subscriber, #40735) [Link] Hmm. I use Flash on Android with "tap to enable". I find that gives all the benefits of "nothing", while still allowing you to access the occasional piece of content you still can't access any other way.
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 22, 2012 13:34 UTC (Thu) by dtalen (subscriber, #86448) [Link]
> That assumes that the users are going to be able to GET Adobe's implementation.
> > Remember that Adobe has stopped development on Flash for Linux. So new versions are going to have features that you just can't get on Linux.
That's true. I should have clarified that this point was about Windows and Mac users, and not about Linux. Given that Gnash and Lightspark don't have much of an audience there, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that Adobe's implementation will continue to be their choice.
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 23, 2012 15:30 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> Remember that Adobe has stopped development on Flash for Linux. So new versions are going to have features that you just can't get on Linux.
No they didn't. They just stopped development of flash netscape plugin.
The 'Pepper' version of Flash is vastly superior and is up-to-date.
It would be nice if Adobe Flash would die, but whatever happens on the Linux desktop has no bearing on it's fate.
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 23, 2012 20:12 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
s/vastly superior/almost indistinguishable, but somewhat sandboxed and not maintenance-dead/g
(Note: Pepper Flash works perfectly well with Chromium, too, so you can have your free cake with your non-free PPAPI plugin if you want it.)
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 23, 2012 20:58 UTC (Fri) by Jonno (subscriber, #49613) [Link]
> (Note: Pepper Flash works perfectly well with Chromium, too, so you can have your free cake with your non-free PPAPI plugin if you want it.)
Except there is no *legal* way to get the pepper Flash plugin without installing Chrome, which makes it sort of irrelevant that you don't need Chrome to run it...
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Dec 4, 2012 15:49 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
You can install Chrome, build Chromium, then use the latter with the former's plugin. Works fine and lets you hack all of it except the non-free plugin (though obviously there are changes you cannot make to PPAPI without breaking the plugin).
Gnash, Lightspark, and Shumway Posted Nov 29, 2012 18:18 UTC (Thu) by JanC_ (guest, #34940) [Link]
The NSAPI Flash plugin doesn't work well with (recent versions of?) Chrome/Chromium, so I suppose Google wanted the PPAPI for that reason.
(The NSAPI Flash plugin still works fine with Firefox & Opera & other browsers though...)
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