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That's what they're doing now, right? What changed?
Might they now consider giving Gnash a little help?
Since when does Moz Foundation support SWF?
Posted Nov 14, 2012 14:13 UTC (Wed) by gerv (subscriber, #3376)
"They always refused to give financial help to Gnash and other free SWF players on the grounds that they don't want to support closed formats."
I don't remember that ever being our position; do you have evidentiary support?
Either way, now we've started our own Flash reimplementation project, it would be rather an odd time to start funding someone else's...
Posted Nov 14, 2012 15:18 UTC (Wed) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
If I'm wrong (which is possible), then what did stop Moz Foundation from helping the struggling SWF projects? Did they want to help, but got no requests and didn't see the funding pleas? Or did the idea of SWF support simply never come up?
(I'm not demonising the Moz Foundation, but if no one can provide a link to evidence, then we have to look at who's version fits the context.)
Posted Nov 14, 2012 16:40 UTC (Wed) by gerv (subscriber, #3376)
That quote focusses more on the lack of an open process than the lack of an open format, but let's not split hairs. Your original post was mostly right. I'd not read the above before.
I never saw a formal funding proposal from Gnash, though.
I do remember some discussions in the last couple of years about us bundling Flash like Chrome does. That has the obvious "it's not open source" issues. Gnash got mentioned in that context; I think people were concerned that the Gnash implementation wasn't complete enough and it would just end up being a massive bug and time sink if we made it the default in Firefox for the whole world. I guess "fund it" would have been a follow-on possibility from that line of argument but I didn't see it raised.
We've taken a lot of pain from Flash in one way or another (hangs, crashes, security issues). The Flash problem has no good, simple solutions. :-|
Posted Nov 15, 2012 0:49 UTC (Thu) by roc (subscriber, #30627)
Posted Nov 15, 2012 10:41 UTC (Thu) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
It's declining, but change is slow (and time makes a return possible).
For some things, such as children's 2D games and TV channel websites, Flash seems still as dominant as ever. I simply ignore those sites, but my friends don't.
Flash is less necessary now than it was in 2005 (when Gnash began), but it would still be very good to have a free software Flash player.
Posted Nov 15, 2012 10:51 UTC (Thu) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
Since Moz Foundation has now decided to put resources into an SWF player, one way to find good people to work on the project would be to contact the projects that previously spent years doing exactly that.
Just an idea.
Posted Nov 15, 2012 11:57 UTC (Thu) by gerv (subscriber, #3376)
Posted Nov 15, 2012 14:09 UTC (Thu) by coriordan (guest, #7544)
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