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Different focus (e.g. security & stability is paramount in OpenBSD), different packaging systems, and different licenses.
Although if security and stability are paramount, I'm not sure why OpenBSD is so worried about pulseaudio, etc. That's stuff you want stripped out if you're building a server anyways..
The monoculture of meritocracy
Posted Nov 14, 2012 0:58 UTC (Wed) by intgr (subscriber, #39733)
Erm? Some people may want a higher security workstation. And people who develop the OS will certainly want to use it on the desktop too.
Posted Nov 14, 2012 0:58 UTC (Wed) by geofft (subscriber, #59789)
I would, admittedly, like to know why Capsicum was done on FreeBSD, since it seems a textbook example of cool things being done somewhere other than the monoculture kernel.
Regarding PulseAudio, I am a little sad that a hardened and stripped-down PulseAudio for servers is not obvious. I'd like to run the network server on a machine in my apartment hooked up to the living room speakers, but it brings in a ton of dependencies I'd rather not put on a server.
Posted Nov 14, 2012 4:21 UTC (Wed) by wahern (subscriber, #37304)
The OpenBSD folks don't want to chase features. What they want is to chase minimalism while staying relevant and useful. That's obviously a difficult path. It's made harder because many in the Linux community openly challenge even the pretense of portability, and like evil companies of yore have begun co-opting the standardization process, i.e. POSIX, and adding whatever crap features already in their toolbox regardless of merit.
Also, the idea that the "the BSD folks screwed us in the 1990s with a lack of concern for portability, so it's okay if we screw them now" is a little silly. Regardless of the veracity, it's just plain evil. Linux is not sacred. Not all Linux features are perfect, or worthy of adoption. Innovations which are strong enough to be accepted by other operating systems are likely innovations with far more merit. When you write something which only _you_ think is awesome... that should give you pause.
Monoculture sucks because you lose positive feedback. The bad features soon begin multiplying just as much as the good features, and eventually you end up with a cancerous wreck.
Posted Nov 15, 2012 15:16 UTC (Thu) by lacos (subscriber, #70616)
> chase minimalism while staying relevant and useful
This matches my ideals perfectly. Unfortunately, I can't run *BSD as a home user, because (as much as I ignore "modern desktops") I need my consumer electronics crap to work with my computer. For that I need user base behind my desktop OS. I must go with the gnome3-crazed crowd because they cause new drivers to be written too.
(The logical extrapolation would be to run Windows at home, of course, but I simply can't tolerate it.)
I'm already buying only years old (aka "antique") "consumer technology", both for low price and for better support, but Debian Stable *still* screws me regularly.
Posted Nov 15, 2012 18:22 UTC (Thu) by wazoox (subscriber, #69624)
Slackware, man. Slackware is the way. Antique, battle proven technology (no stinky systemd! no friggin' pam! good ol' *BSD style rc files!) and modern enough stuff. And sbopkg. Even this stupid new phone with mtp storage mode works, thanks dog (new phones don't come with usb-storage anymore, noooo, would be too easy and practical).
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