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Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power usersMena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power usersPosted Nov 10, 2012 17:56 UTC (Sat) by cmm (guest, #81305)Parent article: Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users
So, you see nominally Regular People complain and bitch and moan about the software you write. You know, the regular, everyday people with blogs and personal domain names and accounts in bug reporting systems, and knowledge of different window managers, and knowledge of the difference between zsh and bash. Regular people. Nice application of sarcasm there, but sadly completely wasted. As long as we are talking about Linux desktop users — yes. These are the regular people. Everyone else has given up on the Linux desktop long ago, given any choice. (Or that's what I see when I look around me, anyway. I'm sure there'll be someone quick to correct me with a heartwarming story about how their spouse/children/elderly parents are Linux desktop users — well, that is on your conscience and yours alone. I'm sure you are postponing your supportees' Gnome 3 transition as far as you can, folks, right? Right?)
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Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 10, 2012 18:19 UTC (Sat) by Rehdon (guest, #45440) [Link]
Nice application of rational thinking, but sadly that's completely wasted as well. The GNOME devs are never wrong, you feel bad after you criticize them and not only they've got to suffer "haters" and "whiners" ($DEITY forbid you call some of those people "users" and "non-GNOME developers" who disagree with them), but also "the yellow journalists"! That wraps it up nicely, I hope that in a future turnaround FMQ will feel embarassed about this little paranoid rant too, but I'm not holding my breath.
And BTW I fully agree with you, desktop Linux had a chance but they blew it away (not that long ago IMHO), the fact that now Seigo and FMQ and others are lashing out at Linus Torvalds, users, journalists, in short everybody and their dog EXCEPT THEMSELVES is just ludicrous.
Rehdon
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 11, 2012 2:20 UTC (Sun) by imitev (subscriber, #60045) [Link]
"that is on your conscience"
LOL
FWIW, all the people for whom I've set up a computer with gnome3 are happy with it. Some were used to windows, some to gnome2 or XFCE. They don't have a personal domain and they don't blog that they like gnome3. And they don't want to come back to their previous environment. And I'm sure they don't even know the name of the DE they're using.
Regular People.
Gnome-related posts on LWN are disheartening, Corbet should declare an embargo. See systemd ? after all those complaints,flamewars,rantwars, you name it, most people are just happy with it now - except the few usual super vocal users.
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 11, 2012 23:12 UTC (Sun) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]
> Gnome-related posts on LWN are disheartening, Corbet should declare an embargo.
Freedom of speech is under siege in enough quarters already; we don't need to add free software the list of topics where dissenting opinions are not tolerated.
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 12, 2012 2:41 UTC (Mon) by imitev (subscriber, #60045) [Link]
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
I've been reading LWN for years not only because articles are top-notch, but also because comments used to be insightful and I learned quite a few things from them. I hate slashdot, and I hate seeing LWN increasingly look like it as soon as gnome|systemd|ubuntu|younameit is mentioned.
Whether they deserve it or not, gnome people had their fair share of complaints/rants/flames. If the only effect of a LWN daily news article is to get more of it, they will just ignore any discussion here, and LWN will loose in quality.
So, better to ignore gnome in daily news for a while until things settle and devs have time to implement broken/missing features. Whether they do it or not, I'm sure we will have a balanced and fair weekly article from Corbet in a few weeks/months. How's that for "not tolerating dissenting opinion" ?
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 12, 2012 3:13 UTC (Mon) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
It seems a lot easier for you to just not read comments on Gnome articles...?
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 12, 2012 14:15 UTC (Mon) by imitev (subscriber, #60045) [Link] Yup you're right, that's exactly what I'll do now. Time will definitely be better spent drinking my own
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 12, 2012 3:54 UTC (Mon) by tjc (subscriber, #137) [Link]
> This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
You want an embargo on certain articles, and that has nothing to do with freedom of speech? You've been drinking your own Kool-Aid.
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 23, 2012 8:26 UTC (Fri) by TRauMa (guest, #16483) [Link]
Freedom of speech is a right you have, and it limits your government, not a private web site. You are perfectly able to vent somewhere else.
Mena-Quintero: A Friday rant on Gnome 3, journalists, and power users Posted Nov 13, 2012 9:39 UTC (Tue) by fb (subscriber, #53265) [Link]
> Nice application of sarcasm there, but sadly completely wasted. As long as we are talking about Linux desktop users — yes. These are the regular people. Everyone else has given up on the Linux desktop long ago, given any choice.
+1.
All 'linux desktop users' I know of are either:
> (Or that's what I see when I look around me, anyway. I'm sure there'll be someone quick to correct me with a heartwarming story about how their spouse/children/elderly parents are Linux desktop users — well, that is on your conscience and yours alone. I'm sure you are postponing your supportees' Gnome 3 transition as far as you can, folks, right? Right?)
1. my parents are Linux desktop users. (I do the system support)
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