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syslog vs other solutionssyslog vs other solutionsPosted Nov 8, 2012 15:32 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)In reply to: syslog vs other solutions by dps Parent article: LCE: Systemd two years on
You can still run syslog.
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syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 8, 2012 16:37 UTC (Thu) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359) [Link]
For how long?
The Arch Linux people said you can still use init scripts… now Arch Linux is dead.
And I will GR against a switch to systemd in Debian, should that become necessary.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 8, 2012 19:24 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]
As long as people are willing to take the time and energy to update various parts. When they no longer want to do that and no one steps up to replace them.. the feature is dead.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 9, 2012 0:08 UTC (Fri) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Syslog compat code in Journal is trivial - it just forwards messages to a specific socket:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/jour...
There's nothing complicated there, so it can be easily maintained indefinitely.
>now Arch Linux is dead.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 8, 2012 19:25 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
just like you can still use udev without systemd?
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 15, 2012 13:09 UTC (Thu) by Wol (guest, #4433) [Link]
Has that changed?
aiui you could compile udev separate from systemd. And I'm on gentoo. Not that I notice these things but my init system is OpenRC (I think - it's the default, whatever) and I'm running udev - udev 171-r8 to be precise.
iirc they may be the same code base, but they are two separate builds - the code bases merged because so much was duplicated.
Cheers,
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 15, 2012 17:16 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
udev 171 predates the udev/systemd merge.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 15, 2012 19:32 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
The systemd/udev maintainers have recently announced that compiling udev without systemd is no longer supported
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 15, 2012 23:52 UTC (Thu) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978) [Link]
Really? Can you point to this announcement? It was only in April that Lennart had this to say on the matter:
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 17, 2012 17:14 UTC (Sat) by engla (guest, #47454) [Link]
I think you need to build both udev and systemd, but you can install just the udev products.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 17, 2012 18:47 UTC (Sat) by jrn (subscriber, #64214) [Link]
> The systemd/udev maintainers have recently announced that compiling udev without systemd is no longer supported
That is frightening. Regardless of what you think of systemd, the udev maintainers have just said loudly and clearly "We don't care about you" to a substantial existing population of users.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 17, 2012 19:38 UTC (Sat) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
I've checked the recent posts in udev's mail list and I can't find what dlang is talking about.
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 17, 2012 23:18 UTC (Sat) by jimparis (subscriber, #38647) [Link]
From http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17444 (May 2012)
"We support stand-alone *operation* of the udev tools, but the build
syslog vs other solutions Posted Nov 18, 2012 0:13 UTC (Sun) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
it's not recent news.
The recent news is that some Gentoo developers have (sortof) announced that they are planning to fork udev as a result of how it's being managed since being merged into systemd
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