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Wayland and Weston 1.0 releasedWayland and Weston 1.0 releasedPosted Oct 31, 2012 15:53 UTC (Wed) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)In reply to: Wayland and Weston 1.0 released by daniels Parent article: Wayland and Weston 1.0 released
> But yeah, funny how you never saw anyone decrying XMMS as the death of
> UNIX, and it never seemed to be a particular problem then.
Heh. I took one look at XMMS and decided it was unusable precisely because of the application-managed decorations making it really non-intuitive. Consistency is important.
I'm not necessarily saying Wayland is wrong here but it is definitely something to keep on top of. Frozen unkillable windows is my biggest concern with this.
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Wayland and Weston 1.0 released Posted Nov 2, 2012 10:09 UTC (Fri) by intgr (subscriber, #39733) [Link]
> Frozen unkillable windows is my biggest concern with this.
This has already been solved in Wayland (or Weston, whatever). Whenever the toolkit pops up a new window, it can register a certain clickable area which acts as the "kill button" if the window isn't responding to events. Normally this area overlaps with the close button on the title bar.
Wayland and Weston 1.0 released Posted Nov 2, 2012 15:23 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
They're still immobile, though (although admittedly even in X, frozen windows can be dragged but can't be repainted, so they end up looking ugly -- but at least you can get them to get out of the way.)
Wayland and Weston 1.0 released Posted Nov 2, 2012 16:09 UTC (Fri) by intgr (subscriber, #39733) [Link]
> They're still immobile, though
As far as I understand, dragging (moving) windows will still work -- the draggable title bar is registered with a similar hint like the kill button. Window placement and moving is now exclusively the job of the compositor -- windows don't even receive move events and they may not have a well-defined position with respect to the screen any more, because the compositor is free to do anything with them.
But you're right, resizing windows will probably not work as it does in X11.
Wayland and Weston 1.0 released Posted Nov 2, 2012 20:30 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Ah, right. I'd say the useful properties are retained -- you can move a stuck window mostly off the screen if need be. Resizing a stuck window is much less important (at least in my workflow).
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