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Thoughts on the ext4 panicThoughts on the ext4 panicPosted Oct 30, 2012 7:14 UTC (Tue) by Aliasundercover (subscriber, #69009)In reply to: Thoughts on the ext4 panic by martinfick Parent article: Thoughts on the ext4 panic
What is it with the IDEs not allowing multiple source windows? I can't imagine working without my screen filled with various views of my source. The IDEs I look at give tabs but no way to display multiple at once. When writing code I normally want to see a header defining the structures I'm using, some other source file which my code interacts with, yet another source file where I did something vaguely similar once before ...
I don't see a Linux IDE which allows this. Visual Studio on Windows does, I just have to tell it to work in its multiple document mode.
If given the choice between a pack of x-terms and vi straight out of the 80s and a modern IDE with all the bells and whistles but just one source window I would take x-terms and vi. Hard to imagine how anyone can use these IDEs much less design them the way they are.
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Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Oct 30, 2012 12:42 UTC (Tue) by fb (subscriber, #53265) [Link]
> What is it with the IDEs not allowing multiple source windows? [...]
> I don't see a Linux IDE which allows this.
FYI, just checked and Eclipse (at least Juno/4.2) allows this. I can drag a source tab and place it next to my main source view.
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Oct 30, 2012 17:26 UTC (Tue) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]
It is indeed much easier to split and generally manage the screen with a full screen Eclipse than with most window managers.
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Oct 30, 2012 21:17 UTC (Tue) by khc (subscriber, #45209) [Link]
But only if all the windows you need to manage are eclipse windows, of course. I recently started to play with Dart using the Dart Editor which is basically eclipse, it works ok, but I don't know if I'd consider managing a full screen eclipse along with other windows "easy"
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Oct 31, 2012 8:40 UTC (Wed) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]
> but I don't know if I'd consider managing a full screen eclipse along with other windows "easy"
No it's not easy; you are not supposed to do that. Instead, you are supposed to install and use whatever plug-ins give you the functionality you need *within* Eclipse.
Eclipse is the new Emacs: a Developer Operating System :-)
http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.ecl...
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Nov 1, 2012 3:52 UTC (Thu) by Aliasundercover (subscriber, #69009) [Link]
> FYI, just checked and Eclipse (at least Juno/4.2) allows this. I can drag a source tab and place it next to my main source view
Hmm, I last poked at Eclipse a while back and got stuck in tile land till I gave up and moved on to try other IDEs which also left me in tiles. I find tiles most unsatisfying as I wind up spending my time fiddling with them and scrolling too small window fragments even on the biggest screen. I much prefer overlapping windows I can customize. I have been working in Kate which lets me arrange things as I like, permits multiple windows into the same source file and shares the screen well with windows from other programs.
Taking another look based on your message I got the Eclipse 3.7 Ubuntu offered me and found I can indeed get decent looking windows if I fiddle enough. It will take time to know if the fiddling stays excessive or I can tame it with more knowledge.
Of course it wants to mangle my code as I type. It really wants me to follow someone's idea of correct style and I know I will be some time getting it to stop helping me by making an awful mess of my code. Why exactly does it insist on extra * characters on each line? (No, don't answer that, I just want to turn it off.)
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Will have to see. Looking better than last time. Qt Creator and KDevelop never got me this far, not past tiles and tabs with them. So much IDE stuff filling the screen, so little space for the source code I actually care about.
Thanks
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Oct 31, 2012 9:25 UTC (Wed) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link]
> What is it with the IDEs not allowing multiple source windows? [...] I don't see a Linux IDE which allows this.
VIM has split/vsplit. Qt Creator also has split modes. And as others have already noted, Eclipse also has something of the sort. IIRC, Emacs can split the screen too.
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Oct 31, 2012 13:20 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Emacs has always been able to split the screen, since long long before X support existed. (It calls the panes 'windows' and the GUI windows 'frames' because Emacs does everything differently.)
Emacs 24 can split the screen, both manually and automatically, in so many ludicrous ways I have not begun to explore the possibilities. (The window-management code was rewritten by Martin Rudalics, and the new code is... very flexible. Almost too flexible to understand.)
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Nov 1, 2012 9:32 UTC (Thu) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]
"So many ways"?
1. Wrong
Any others?
Thoughts on the ext4 panic Posted Nov 1, 2012 19:50 UTC (Thu) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432) [Link]
> I don't see a Linux IDE which allows this.
Emacs/CEDET.
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