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Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)Posted Oct 24, 2012 22:35 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)In reply to: Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) by mjh Parent article: Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers)
Let me get this straight Lennart's problem is being too communicative?
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Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 24, 2012 22:57 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
No, the problem is in creating a new Init replacement that is so complex that it needs an 18 part explanation of how it works and how it should be used.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 24, 2012 23:30 UTC (Wed) by cry_regarder (subscriber, #50545) [Link]
If one documented how to get the same capabilities with the old system it would be as bad or worse.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 24, 2012 23:46 UTC (Wed) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
I reiterate my comment. The Unix administration book ( http://admin.com ) has more than 100 pages dedicated to daemons, booting, services and logging.
Should we stop doing all this unix-y crap and return to clean and pure world of AUTOEXEC.BAT and config.sys?
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 25, 2012 11:21 UTC (Thu) by k8to (subscriber, #15413) [Link]
Because discussions of all aspects of multiple implementations of an entire operating system is comparable to one single component which used to be simple?
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 25, 2012 12:15 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]
From a ISV view, all the different quirks and incompatibilities with distro specific additions to sysv were hardly simple. It was convoluted and poorly documented. systemd is a huge step up.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 25, 2012 15:59 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Used to be simple? LOL.
SysV scripts were never simple. They are almost always brittle and unreliable pieces of crap. Especially cross-distribution scripts (LSB? Ha!).
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 25, 2012 18:26 UTC (Thu) by akeane (subscriber, #85436) [Link]
>No, the problem is in creating a new Init replacement that is so complex that it needs an 18 part explanation of how it works and how it should be used.
Well spoken Mr Lang!
To be fair though, I do like the Roman numerals, it gives a nice classical feel to the whole proceedings!
akeane@superfrog-dev: man XVIII systemd
akeane@superfrog-dev: :-(
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 26, 2012 21:39 UTC (Fri) by jond (subscriber, #37669) [Link]
This criticism is such empty nonsense. It's 18 blog posts, not 18 academic papers. They're very well written, illustrated with example outputs, etc. etc.
Poettering: systemd for Administrators, Part XVIII (controllers) Posted Oct 25, 2012 18:09 UTC (Thu) by akeane (subscriber, #85436) [Link]
>Let me get this straight Lennart's problem is being too communicative?
No, just writing "too much" code.
Where "too much" is #defined as any...
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