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Posted Oct 24, 2012 17:03 UTC (Wed) by wmf (guest, #33791)
Posted Oct 24, 2012 17:07 UTC (Wed) by wmf (guest, #33791)
FAQ could be more helpful
Posted Oct 25, 2012 4:28 UTC (Thu) by amtota (guest, #4012)
Posted Oct 26, 2012 0:17 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646)
We're replacing "XYZ" that does "ABC", calling it "xyzzy". Believe us, we're doing best work ever, you won't notice anything, and we'll all live happily ever after.
But, "XYZ" does "DEF" as well. How shall we do it in the future?
Well, "DEF" is not the scope of our replacement. It doesn't belong to "xyzzy".
But... "XYZ" did it...
You don't understand: We define the scope. And we're in the position to tell you that while "ABC" might be of interest to you, all the rest of the world doesn't care. So we define that "ABC" wasn't part of "XYZ" and we don't have to replace it.
But... "XYZ" did "ABC"...
As we said, we don't care. We define, you don't need "ABC".
But then... "XYZ" is not a replacement if it doesn't deliver the same functionality.
You're wrong. You're not in the position to define that. We have the power to define what is a replacement and what is not. And we tell you: "xyzzy" is a full replacement for "XYZ", for all relevant functionality. A maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
The story of the Linux desktop,
PS: Chosing the name "xyzzy" as illustration is clearly not correct, as it doesn't support remoting to "Y2", even though it should. But, maybe, sometime in the future we'll be able to kill the dragon (aka we'll be able to really replace X) with our bare hands.
Posted Oct 26, 2012 8:17 UTC (Fri) by dgm (subscriber, #49227)
Strawman. Wayland does not replace X11. X11 can be run on top of Wayland, just like it does on Windows or OSX. The rest of the argument does not make sense.
Posted Oct 26, 2012 8:25 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646)
When Qt und GTK focus on Wayland, these DEs will have native Wayland applications, and X will not be a first class citizen any more. It will only be supported as an legacy interface. As long as we don't want to be stuck using current software versions, that means that de-facto Wayland *will* replace X11 in the medium-to-long term.
Besides, the experience of running X11 on Windows or OS X is no good advertisement, either. I've done both, and good integrated support is something different.
Posted Oct 26, 2012 9:32 UTC (Fri) by paulj (subscriber, #341)
The only thing that could change that is if X11 becomes so little used that no one cares to support it anymore.
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