| |||||||||||||
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencingSchaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencingPosted Oct 15, 2012 15:28 UTC (Mon) by shmerl (guest, #65921)Parent article: Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing
What about support for Muji (multiuser Jingle) http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Muji ? Why is this XEP deferred and are there any plans to develop it further and actually adopt it? It's an important functionality that's missing practically from all XMPP/Jingle clients.
Can you please elaborate a bit, what problems cause incompatibility between Google browser XMPP/Jingle plugin (Gtalk) and clients like Pidgin and Empathy? I never managed to get a satisfactory experience between them.
(Log in to post comments)
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 15, 2012 15:41 UTC (Mon) by Uraeus (subscriber, #33755) [Link]
I actually mention the multiparty chat at the end of the article as something we would like to help move forward. That said it is a bit frustrating situation as Google has implemented their own thing in the form of Google Hangout.
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 15, 2012 16:04 UTC (Mon) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
That's good that you plan to move it further. I hope the XEP will be accepted and will get wider adoption.
As for Google, they just decided to make their own custom solution since they use server multiplexing. Muji is somewhat limited, since it opens streams between all clients, and it's taxing for the users' bandwidth. Google's hangouts multiplex on the server, reducing the burden on the clients network channel. But the downside - it's their own non interoperable method. Muji is still good to have in order not to rely on any custom server solution.
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 15, 2012 18:49 UTC (Mon) by tpo (subscriber, #25713) [Link]
> Google's hangouts multiplex on the server, reducing the burden on
> the clients network channel
It also allows them to do surveillance/datamining.
On a related note: is it possible to use gtalk without a google account?
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 15, 2012 19:04 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
> On a related note: is it possible to use gtalk without a google account?
Google uses open protocols and it's very possible to communicate with somebody on a Gtalk account without having a Gtalk account yourself.
Of course you need a account with _somebody_. You can set up your own domain and servers of course. Which is what I did and works fine with people using Gtalk.
The biggest problem you run into is that all phone conferencing software on Linux is very terrible except linphone (I especially like the command line client) and I don't think that supports video conferencing.
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 15, 2012 19:07 UTC (Mon) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
actually scratch that. I was remembering things wrong.
Except linphone being the only voip software on linux that isn't terrible.
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 16, 2012 8:47 UTC (Tue) by njwhite (subscriber, #51848) [Link]
> linphone (I especially like the command line client) and I don't think that supports video conferencing.
Linphone does support video conferencing. I haven't used it myself, but when I started it up (before configuring it otherwise) it always popped up a webcam window. And yes, I am very fond of the command line client too.
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 18, 2012 1:02 UTC (Thu) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]
I find twinkle OK.
Schaller: The long journey towards good free video conferencing Posted Oct 15, 2012 23:31 UTC (Mon) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
You can communicate with users of GTalk XMPP server, if you have an account on any other federated XMPP server as drag pointed out. They enabled federation a while ago:
http://googletalk.blogspot.com/2006/01/xmpp-federation.html
You connect your XMPP client to your server, but you can add contacts from Google's server and communicate with them.
Federation is a very important interoperability idea in XMPP. It's a shame that some major XMPP servers (like Facebook's) don't use federation making them isolated and defeating the whole point of XMPP.
And some are even worse non interoperable and insecure monsters (Whatsapp). It's really strange that such kind of stuff comes out in this day and age.
|
|||||||||||||