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MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H)MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H)Posted Oct 10, 2012 22:00 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)In reply to: MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) by shmerl Parent article: MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H)
to be fair, Linux on the desktop used to be as hard as Linux on mobile currently is. We've (mostly) won the battle about drivers in the desktop/server space, but we're in the "bad old days" in the mobile space.
People are working on it, but it's got a long way to go.
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MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 10, 2012 22:10 UTC (Wed) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
I didn't deny that Linux used to be hard on the desktop as well. I was pointing out, that Android's "diversion" in the mobile sphere naturally makes that progress there much slower.
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 10, 2012 22:27 UTC (Wed) by swetland (subscriber, #63414) [Link]
I still disagree. I believe that without a high-volume Linux based platform in mobile, gaining attention from OEMs, silicon vendors, users, hackers, Linux developers, etc, things would be moving much, much more slowly.
Based on my observations of how the SoC vendors and OEMs operate, I find it unlikely that a "more desktop linux like" mobile Linux, if it were successful, would result in things (regarding Linux kernel support for ARM SoCs and mobile devices) moving forward any faster than with Android.
The obstacles toward full GPLv2 kernel drivers for problematic components (like GPU) are not made easier to resolve by changing the userspace software stack.
Android, I feel, has gone further in some areas here -- we've worked with most all of the mobile GPU vendors and see GPLv2 drivers shipping for the memory/resource/queue management, even if userspace opengl libraries are closed -- ensuring that the critical bits touching hardware and system resources at least are open source and accessible. Desktop Linux has taken an all-or-nothing approach regarding open GPU drivers and we see things like entirely closed binary blobs linked into the kernel if you want decent hw 3d accel on the modern/popular video cards...
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 10, 2012 22:37 UTC (Wed) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
Yes, there are positive aspects in it as well. But overall, I think the competing path slowed things down for regular Linux simply by dispersing resources and distracting manufacturers on Android exclusively. May be at some point it'll play out to the better, but not yet at least. Open drivers (like Lima and etc.) are coming slowly, so there is some hope.
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 11, 2012 14:12 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
I don't think Android took away any resources from desktop Linux, it's a strictly parallel development. It has already added many resources to kernel development. We should be happy and try to leverage the added effort for maximum positive, open source, effect.
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 11, 2012 15:35 UTC (Thu) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
I meant it took resources away from mobile (regular, non Android) Linux development.
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