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MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H)MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H)Posted Oct 10, 2012 16:12 UTC (Wed) by shmerl (guest, #65921)In reply to: MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) by khim Parent article: MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H)
> No. It's a race. The first seaworthy ship to leave the port wins.
No, it's a race of open against closed. Since Android tries to race against the rest of the Linux world without contributing back and collaborating - that's exactly what makes it bad and unworthy. As simple as that.
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MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 10, 2012 16:42 UTC (Wed) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] No, it's a race of open against closed. To some degree, yes. Race where two or three platforms emerged as potential survivors: Android, iOS, and maybe, just maybe WP8+. I fail to see how you can say that iOS or WP8 is more open than Android. Since Android tries to race against the rest of the Linux world without contributing back and collaborating - that's exactly what makes it bad and unworthy. As simple as that. Unworthy, heh. You mean you prefer iOS? Or WP8? Really? My own choice is the most open of the participants. And that is Android. If you don't like it - then that's your choice, as I've said, but don't pretend that "worthiness" will save your beloved Mer or webOS. Or maybe you prefer to work with 10'000 owners (if even that!) of GTA04? That, too, is possible, but I prefer to tinker with platforms which have clear future.
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 10, 2012 16:46 UTC (Wed) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
They don't need saving IMO. They are good on their own already.
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 11, 2012 2:48 UTC (Thu) by daniels (subscriber, #16193) [Link]
> No, it's a race of open against closed. Since Android tries to race against the rest of the Linux world without contributing back and collaborating - that's exactly what makes it bad and unworthy. As simple as that.
While we're talking about open and closed, while MeeGo did reuse almost the entire 'classic' Linux middleware stack (and often fund enormous parts of its development) such as GStreamer, PulseAudio, Telepathy, X11, etc, it wasn't an open system. Huge parts of its UI and even a bit of its middleware were completely closed. And that's without even going into the closed hardware enablement pieces such as the SGX GLES/EGL driver, the power regulator (without which you can't charge your phone), the telephony stack, etc etc etc.
Not to mention that while Nokia fulfilled all its obligations under the software licenses, and as I mentioned, sponsored a lot of amazing middleware development, every year a whole new OS would just be dumped on the outside world. The development was done entirely in-house, and the source was released after the fact; by the time the community got their hands on it, most of the developers had already moved on to the next iteration of the OS, for which everything had inevitably been rewritten. IOW, its development process was _exactly_ _the_ _same_ as Android's.
(FWIW, I worked full-time on ITOS/Maemo/MeeGo for 4.5 years.)
MeeGo to return next month with Jolla phone launch (The H) Posted Oct 11, 2012 3:15 UTC (Thu) by shmerl (guest, #65921) [Link]
Meego project had governance shortcomings (it was too corporate controlled), which eventually spelled its doom. (We are talking about Meego project, not about Nokia's Harmattan). That's why Mer project was created - to address those issues and to continue, building on the accumulated effort. It's good that Jolla decided to work with the community and to use Mer as their core, rather than reinventing the wheel and repeating Meego project problems.
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