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wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulatorwlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulatorPosted Sep 27, 2012 20:22 UTC (Thu) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)In reply to: wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator by sjj Parent article: wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator
Well, my pet peeve is people whining about application naming. It's petty and small-minded.
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wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 27, 2012 20:44 UTC (Thu) by andresfreund (subscriber, #69562) [Link]
Unless its names you cannot sensibly search the web for like 'perf'.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 28, 2012 11:07 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
Language names are much worse. Clojure is a nice searchable name. Haskell is OK on this front (though it's both a personal and family name so is somewhat ambiguous); Java is tolerable, but C? Go? Not much chance of finding *that*.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 28, 2012 11:15 UTC (Fri) by andresfreund (subscriber, #69562) [Link]
C has a pretty good excuse with being around before the web, universally available search engines and all but I still cannot grok what made the go designers choose that name.
Its as if the respective authors have desire of not being used/searched/found.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 28, 2012 12:28 UTC (Fri) by madscientist (subscriber, #16861) [Link]
You guys do know that you can use more than one word at a time with Google, right? I mean, you can type "programming language go" and ... amazing! ... first hit.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 28, 2012 20:33 UTC (Fri) by deepfire (subscriber, #26138) [Link]
Good luck with not missing the rare pages which are actually apropos to your needs this way..
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 28, 2012 13:41 UTC (Fri) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link] Not that long before the WEB. C was invented in 1972. In 1984 Knuth reported in an article about his Pascal program(PDF):I chose the name WEB partly because it was one of the few three-letter words of English that hadn’t already been applied to computers.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 29, 2012 10:29 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
And he was right! At the time. If he could look twenty years forward I think he might perhaps have chosen another name, *any* other name. :)
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Oct 4, 2012 12:16 UTC (Thu) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
Searching for golang usually works good enough.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Oct 4, 2012 21:14 UTC (Thu) by jnareb (subscriber, #46500) [Link]
> Unless its names you cannot sensibly search the web for like 'perf'.
I agree that 'perf' subsystem is a stupidly unsearchable name... so try searching for 'perf events' instead.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 27, 2012 22:23 UTC (Thu) by sjj (subscriber, #2020) [Link]
Sure, I can see why you would defend names starting with K ;-) Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate your input here on all things K and Krita. You've done much more for the community than I have. I even understand how we ended up here, but nowadays _to me_, the KDE start menu looks like it was designed by and for middle schoolers*. Application naming is part of a DE's user interface and kuteness becomes tiring after a while.
Like I said, it's a pet peeve, or "minor annoyance that an individual identifies as particularly annoying to them". So, not earth shattering importance. I consider "small-minded" more of an insult. But this is not the place or time for a flamefest. Peace out, bro!
* in the US, 11-13 year olds.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 28, 2012 13:56 UTC (Fri) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link] the KDE start menu looks like it was designed by and for middle schoolers The one that pretends to be an iPod or the old one that behaved like a normal menu? The former's behaviour is surely less tolerable than any potential renaming of the shutdown option as "Kthxbye".
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Sep 29, 2012 10:30 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
I actually find the new menu really useful, because it minimizes the number of mouse motions necessary to get to any given item, and minimizes the distance you need to travel. But it's definitely sufficiently unusual that it probably turns off quite a lot of people.
wlterm: the native Wayland terminal emulator Posted Oct 1, 2012 12:22 UTC (Mon) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
Recent experience suggests that it's pretty difficult to explain to people how to use it (1) over the telephone and (2) from memory of how it actually behaves, especially when a normal menu would be obvious enough. There's also the issue of navigating through a keyhole when the door is already open, but I know that the other extreme is full-screen menus, and that menu navigation can also be an exercise in applying finely tuned motor skills.
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