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GNOME 3.6 released
Posted Sep 27, 2012 18:30 UTC (Thu) by krakensden (subscriber, #72039)
Posted Sep 27, 2012 20:22 UTC (Thu) by sjj (subscriber, #2020)
I will of course try this release. After my initial positive reaction to Gnome 3, I've been driven out as far as KDE and XFCE before circling back to Unity, which I'm starting to like. It too has its "interesting" quirks - just try to find your windows after you remove a second monitor for example (this is a pretty common use-case for laptop users in work environments).
To be an equal-opportunity DE hater, I couldn't believe how crappy the KDE experience was. While Gnome went to one extreme in configurability, KDE is just a mess - seems like anybody can drop in a GUI for random configuration settings. Does a desktop user really need TCP timeout fine tuning for example? The general bling content is even worse than Windows. And all those innocent pixels sacrificed for "Apply" buttons - Gnome got this right, just change the value and boom, it's changed.
Posted Sep 27, 2012 20:32 UTC (Thu) by mmonaco (guest, #84041)
Now everyone is going to start complaining that they can't suspend their computers. Is it really that hard to show both actions, make the displayed actions visible, or have the single action call up a general dialog with everything. I guess none of these alternatives are what Apple would do, in the eyes of the GNOME project.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 5:37 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
You see what you did there? Used common sense? Tsk, tsk. Don't be ridiculous. I'm sure the now opposite lack of options (yes, hibernate is a valid one as well) on the menu was carefully scrutinised by the whole design team... :-)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 15:54 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
Though, personally, that option would be my go-to (provided hibernate worked) all the time. Still leaves 3 options: power off, power save, and logout.
Posted Sep 29, 2012 0:37 UTC (Sat) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
Your PS brings us to the most reasonable solution. Have some default menu items. Provide a way to change that in settings. So, if I want to have suspend/hibernate (hybrid or not)/power off, I can do that too. And it is not complicated - Gnome devs simply refuse to do it.
Sensible defaults are great. Inability to customise trivial things is not. And no, writing code (i.e. extensions) for every possible combo is not the way to do it.
Posted Sep 29, 2012 10:15 UTC (Sat) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 7:50 UTC (Fri) by GhePeU (subscriber, #56133)
I'm still running Ubuntu 11.04 (the last 2.32 release) with selected updated packages on my work laptop (the desktop is Gentoo, so I don't envision issues there, but I'm not using it as much lately), and the support will end in a month or so, so now I will have to start researching an alternative distro.
I'm fed up and I don't have time for all this crap, I've been seriously considering getting a Win7 cd and calling it quits, after more than a decade of desktop linux. A couple of years ago I would have never believed it would've come to this.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 13:14 UTC (Fri) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 19:48 UTC (Fri) by sjj (subscriber, #2020)
I even used Windows for a couple of weeks (work laptop) because of Braindead Enterprise Software Vendors. Wanted to claw my eyes out soon after. That cure is worse than the disease.
Linux DEs are in turmoil right now, but the only way forward if you're a user who wants to keep using Linux, is to try to constructively engage those projects that want to hear from their users and try to influence them. And keep an open mind, not all innovations are bad.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 20:31 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
What sort of compatibility issues did you run into?
Posted Sep 28, 2012 14:04 UTC (Fri) by nteon (subscriber, #53899)
Also, its amusing to hear a gentoo user utter the phrase "I don't have time for this crap" :)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 15:11 UTC (Fri) by cortana (subscriber, #24596)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 16:26 UTC (Fri) by GhePeU (subscriber, #56133)
Windows at least puts everything on a single workspace: messy but not actively hostile, I can live with it.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 17:53 UTC (Fri) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 18:55 UTC (Fri) by GhePeU (subscriber, #56133)
Posted Sep 29, 2012 9:07 UTC (Sat) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185)
Posted Sep 29, 2012 16:24 UTC (Sat) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
At least putty works. We are talking about GNOME here right? I'll take Putty over the default GNOME's terminal any day of the week: at least putty does not spend more CPU resources to show me the gcc's command line then it takes for gcc to compile complex C++ code!
When I see that my terminals fully hogs the CPU core just to show the commands executed by make I weep.
P.S. Just don't try to compare Linux port of Putty with anything: I'm not sure who did that port but it's awful, yes, I know. We are talking about Putty on Windows here.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 19:29 UTC (Fri) by sjj (subscriber, #2020)
Or ctrl-alt-T for terminal.
Still despise the stupid idea shared by Gnome3 and Unity that you're ever only going to want one window of each type and you need right click + "New Terminal" or whatever to get a new one.
Posted Sep 29, 2012 3:39 UTC (Sat) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963)
It makes sense in most cases - the exception for me also being the terminal. I simply set up the Super+T shortcut to launch a new window and that's that.
Posted Sep 30, 2012 1:05 UTC (Sun) by JanC_ (guest, #34940)
Posted Sep 29, 2012 9:00 UTC (Sat) by Otus (guest, #67685)
Middle mouse on launcher also opens a new window in Unity.
Not very discoverable, but works great and is consistent with browsers.
Posted Oct 1, 2012 14:21 UTC (Mon) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106)
Long ago I began launching apps from my terminal. The number of launcher docks I used shrank quickly to zero and I've never looked back. On Linux I've bound my favorite terminal to ALT+SHIFT+t and have a trivial shell script
"$1" 2>/dev/null &1>2 & disown $!
which I invoke to launch my graphical programs. Launcher programs are overrated; my launcher panel is as long as my memory and the time it takes to find any item is a function of the length of its name (or faster, if it tab completes quickly). I expect most people (where people != users) will prefer this sort of thing once they get used to it.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 19:04 UTC (Fri) by GhePeU (subscriber, #56133)
Anyway my Gentoo is still working perfectly and updated as I like it 9 years and almost 2 months after I installed it, so I can tolerate the occasional breaking :)
Apply buttons (was GNOME 3.6 released)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 14:49 UTC (Fri) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
And all those innocent pixels sacrificed for "Apply" buttons - Gnome got this right, just change the value and boom, it's changed.
Ugh, no. That's one of the things I hate about GNOME
(and now, alas, XFCE.) I like to sanity-check my changes before applying them. In some cases, if changes are auto-applied it can make the dialog very difficult to read to un-apply them.
Posted Sep 29, 2012 3:30 UTC (Sat) by thebluesgnr (guest, #37963)
Posted Sep 29, 2012 12:01 UTC (Sat) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
So then you end up with inconsistency. And you have to trust authors to get it right and know when "Apply" is necessary.
I prefer Apply always.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 15:57 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
Do "standard" WMs still do the one-desktop-for-all-monitors thing? One workspace per monitor (over a shared set of workspaces) works much better IMO (even if it isn't the default, for more experienced users, it can be quite nice). The main downside is keeping track of what is where and the keybindings to do different things.
Posted Sep 27, 2012 20:45 UTC (Thu) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935)
But how do I suspend a laptop when it has an attached display? Closing the lid won't do, and I don't think I can log out first, can't I?
Posted Sep 28, 2012 6:38 UTC (Fri) by mgedmin (subscriber, #34497)
Are there actually any laptops that don't have a suspend key?
Posted Sep 28, 2012 7:44 UTC (Fri) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935)
In all fairness GNOME 3.6 accepted my patch that lets me just close the lid, but you need gnome-tweak-tool to access it.
Posted Sep 28, 2012 19:22 UTC (Fri) by sjj (subscriber, #2020)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 20:42 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
Posted Sep 28, 2012 17:44 UTC (Fri) by firstname.lastname@example.org (subscriber, #31786)
There's a setting for overriding the default behaviour on lid-close with external monitors attached:
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-suspend-with-external-monitor true
Or, if you prefer, gnome-tweak-tool has a switch for this.
Posted Oct 1, 2012 6:33 UTC (Mon) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935)
Posted Oct 2, 2012 21:12 UTC (Tue) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
Posted Oct 3, 2012 7:27 UTC (Wed) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935)
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