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You are clearly trying to understate it. Among the popular ones, the distros that have switched:
"RHEL may or may not switch in the future."
RHEL 7 is switching to systemd as well
Debian hasn't switched and is evaluating systemd along with OpenRC. Ubuntu has no plans to switch at this point.
Bazaar on the slow track
Posted Sep 12, 2012 21:39 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
your info about RHEL conflicts with other posters here.
Yes, several popular desktop distros have switched to systemd, that's far from the "everyone has switched, except for those lone wolves at Ubuntu who refuse to go along with everyone else" mantra that is being pushed.
Posted Sep 12, 2012 21:55 UTC (Wed) by Jonno (subscriber, #49613)
> that's far from the "everyone has switched, except for those lone wolves at Ubuntu who refuse to go along with everyone else" mantra
Correct, but that is not what is being claimed here. What is claimed is that everyone but Ubuntu is either staying with sysvinit (or sysvinit + OpenRC) *or* are moving to systemd, no one else is staying with, or moving to, upstart.
Posted Sep 12, 2012 22:17 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
and if Debian remains with upstart (even if they replace the sysvinit option with OpenRC), then Ubuntu sticking with upstart is just staying with the upstream option.
Posted Sep 12, 2012 22:52 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
I have given you a public source from the company's roadmap slides presented in the company conference and your answer is this embarrassing hand waving?
" do you really think that if Debian abandons upstart for OpenRC that Ubuntu will not follow along?"
This is a poorly phrased question. Debian is not using Upstart now by default. So there is no real question of them abandoning it and yes, Ubuntu might very well decide not to follow if Debian decides to switch to OpenRC or Systemd considering how much they have invested in Upstart and that is quite understandable. Ubuntu has done considerably different things from Debian in many ways including the installer, Unity etc and there is no reason to automatically assume they will follow Debian in this case.
Posted Sep 13, 2012 0:06 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
actually, if I do an upgrade of a Debian system, it prompts me to convert to upstart from a sysv init. If this isn't using upstart by default, what is it?
Posted Sep 13, 2012 2:52 UTC (Thu) by guillemj (subscriber, #49706)
> actually, if I do an upgrade of a Debian system, it prompts me to convert to upstart from a sysv init. If this isn't using upstart by default, what is it?
The upstart package in Debian is not Essential, it's not on the base system either (Priority extra), and there's nothing except for live-config-upstart depending on it. So if it's being pulled in on an upgrade that's most probably some third party package doing that, either that or it got selected for upgrade at some point?
Posted Sep 13, 2012 2:59 UTC (Thu) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
Posted Sep 13, 2012 3:00 UTC (Thu) by clint (subscriber, #7076)
Posted Sep 13, 2012 20:21 UTC (Thu) by Tester (subscriber, #40675)
Posted Sep 13, 2012 2:59 UTC (Thu) by clint (subscriber, #7076)
Posted Sep 13, 2012 18:23 UTC (Thu) by smurf (subscriber, #17840)
Anyway, there are upstart and systemd packages in Debian.
I don't know about upstart, but systemd works really well there.
Debian is probably going to do its usual thing and support both systemd and sysv-rc and/pr openrc and probably upstart long-term -- if for no other reason that tthe fact that systemd contains too many Linux-specific bits and pieces; debian wants to be able to run on top of FreeBSD kernels.
Now let's drop this side discussion and go back to VCS bashing please. ,-)
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