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Mailing list etiquette

From:  "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos-AT-serpentine.com>
To:  Adrian Buehlmann <adrian-AT-cadifra.com>
Subject:  Mailing list etiquette
Date:  Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:23:36 -0700
Message-ID:  <CACw0niJYqfhehnGLEVnyjww_EaTj2Bj7N00Zr2Ner+a_trnV1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Cc:  mercurial-devel-AT-selenic.com
Archive-link:  Article, Thread

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Adrian Buehlmann <adrian@cadifra.com> wrote:

>
> I think I now have demonstrated that the risk is pretty high, given how
> broken your first attempt was.
>

A meta-point:

Issues of whether or not you're correct aside, I very often do not like the
tone you use when you write. I find myself consistently saying to myself,
"I am going to ignore Adrian being an arse here, and just pay attention to
the content", and it would be easier for both of us if I didn't have to not
get annoyed by what you're saying.

This is not the linux-kernel mailing list; you do not get to be rude just
because you feel grumpy, disagree with someone else's reasoning, or drank
decaf by accident.

By allowing you to get away with being rude, I further give the signal to
other people that this kind of behaviour must be fine or perhaps even
encouraged, when in fact it is neither.

So. Please take the extra five seconds to be polite, even when you don't
feel like it. ESPECIALLY when you don't feel like it.


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Mailing list etiquette

Posted Sep 13, 2012 10:55 UTC (Thu) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]

He (bos) is definitely a bit overreacting here.

Mailing list etiquette

Posted Sep 13, 2012 20:40 UTC (Thu) by geofft (subscriber, #59789) [Link]

I assume there is more context than what is quoted, but even so, I'd prefer overreaction to rudeness than underreaction. There's a lot you wouldn't get away with face-to-face that we've allowed people to get away with online.

Mailing list etiquette

Posted Sep 13, 2012 21:17 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]

The lack of context, body language and tone of voice, in email causes a lot of communication to be much more inflammatory than what was intended by the sender. The same words can take on different meanings depending on the intonation and emphasis.

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Posted Sep 13, 2012 21:24 UTC (Thu) by geofft (subscriber, #59789) [Link]

I agree, but this is why I try to be more conservative in the words I use, so that they're less likely to be misinterpreted in that way.

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Posted Sep 14, 2012 11:42 UTC (Fri) by ferringb (subscriber, #20752) [Link]

post in question: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.mercu... from thread in question http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.mercur... .

Think a better take away there is just because someone is picking at your code digging out design flaws/bugs/whatever (you know, the point of review), doesn't make them an arse or rude.

Getting reviewed can suck, and reviewing can suck somewhat since bad patches you really don't want to keep kicking the crap out of (but you have to since that's the point of review); nor can you save yourself the time and state "this isn't worth the gain/cost ratio" without coming off as an ass, even if it may be true...

Other chunks of the thread where the dude got pissed at being called an arse, meh, initiating point of discussion... not so much.

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