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mobile computers replacing desktopmobile computers replacing desktopPosted Sep 10, 2012 7:14 UTC (Mon) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)In reply to: mobile computers replacing desktop by Cyberax Parent article: Improving Ubuntu's application upload process
>> I say that the 'cloud' is not going to be good enough to keep your data all there
> It's _already_ good enough. And it's going to become even easier in the future.
It's only good enough if you live in an area with good Internet connectivity and don't need to use mobile networks much.
If you are not so lucky, the cost (in time, and sometimes in money) of moving the data back and forth to the cloud makes it impractical.
Game companies are giving up on cloud based DRM, and customers are rebelling against game companies that want to have even their single-user games require full time Internet connectivity.
that hardly sounds like it's "there" now.
It's Ok to have your stuff take advantage of good connectivity if it's there, but if you make it _require_ good connectivity, you are abandoning large parts of the market.
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mobile computers replacing desktop Posted Sep 10, 2012 10:20 UTC (Mon) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] It's only good enough if you live in an area with good Internet connectivity Well, this is where all the PCs live. In areas where you don't have good Internet connectivity (such as Africa) you don't have PCs, just mobile phones so all these discussions are even less relevant. and don't need to use mobile networks much. Huh? What this has to do with anything? If you need to use mobile networks then you use them via your phone. How can you use them with a PC? Game companies are giving up on cloud based DRM, Source? and customers are rebelling against game companies that want to have even their single-user games require full time Internet connectivity. Customer's complain. A lot. Yet they still buy more games if could-based DRM is used thus I doubt it'll change. Some customers don't want to have anything to have with such DRM schemes, but these can be served later. First you sell games to a new customers with DRM and all other lockdown schemes and then, years later, GOG (or someone similar) sell unlocked games to the rest of the public. It's Ok to have your stuff take advantage of good connectivity if it's there, but if you make it _require_ good connectivity, you are abandoning large parts of the market. Sure, but these are less-affluent parts of the market. If you can squeeze more money from the ones who don't mind always-on requirement then this is still a net win.
mobile computers replacing desktop Posted Sep 10, 2012 12:42 UTC (Mon) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
>> It's only good enough if you live in an area with good Internet connectivity
> Well, this is where all the PCs live. In areas where you don't have good Internet connectivity (such as Africa) you don't have PCs, just mobile phones so all these discussions are even less relevant.
sorry to surprise you, but it's not just places like Africa that don't have good connectivity.
It's also places in the US.
And it's not even limited to things like people living on farms. I live just outside of Los Angeles and the best I can get is 1.5Mb down. There are people within 10 miles of me who cannot even get that, and who don't have any cellular network coverage at their houses. In some cases these are million dollar houses, so it's not just the poor people who are impacted. I'm not even talking 4G/LTE coverage, I'm talking 3G and voice covereage that is spotty.
I have a friend who lives within 5 miles of the Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena who can get cell coverage from outside his house, but inside it usually doesn't work
mobile computers replacing desktop Posted Sep 10, 2012 16:34 UTC (Mon) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] In some cases these are million dollar houses, so it's not just the poor people who are impacted. It's not the question of how much money a given person has. It's question of how much a given person is ready to spend on the internet, phone and all other goodies. If s/he does not want to spend enough to get a good internet in their home then why do you think s/he'll be ready to spend substantial money on software and hardware?
mobile computers replacing desktop Posted Sep 10, 2012 17:17 UTC (Mon) by Jonno (subscriber, #49613) [Link]
> If s/he does not want to spend enough to get a good internet in their home then why do you think s/he'll be ready to spend substantial money on software and hardware?
Because "substantial money on software and hardware" is only about €5'000, while a good internet connection cost about €10'000 per km away from the nearest ISP junction. You know, not everyone live in big cities...
mobile computers replacing desktop Posted Sep 12, 2012 18:46 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
It's the UK too. Whole villages (and some towns) have full exchanges, no cable modem fitted yet, no new broadband installs, and DACSes landing on lines everywhere -- and the first person to ask for broadband gets hit with the full cost of the exchange upgrade. Oddly everyone there survives on high-latency hyper-expensive horrors such as satellite broadband (more expensive for 1Mb/s 4Gb/month, metered, HTTP only than I pay for two lines 40Mb/s 250Gb/month on domestic ADSL), or goes without.
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