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Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next levelDay: Taking GNOME 3 to the next levelPosted Sep 4, 2012 17:28 UTC (Tue) by luya (subscriber, #50741)In reply to: Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level by oak Parent article: Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level
Here is my problem,
I noticed most comments got carried away by constantly bashing Gnome 3.x despite the very instruction and extensions available. Most of them keep complaining how their favourite applet/extensions are missing while aware DE was launched as core and extensibility in mind. As for power consumption, has anyone in this comments ever submitting a bug or even writting a patch. I think Gnome, despite its attitude, is more free and open source, than most comments and even so-called article (nothing more than crusades) are: selfiness.
Gnome 3.6 brings power off back fyi.
*rant end*
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Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 4, 2012 19:17 UTC (Tue) by utoddl (subscriber, #1232) [Link] Here's my problem: I've want to like GNOME 3. And Unity. But like the grandparent poster, I'm the main tech support for my wife at home. We've been a non-Windows/Linux only household since WinME, and aren't likely to change any time soon. She runs Ubuntu's older LTS release with GNOME 2.mumble, and I generally run the latest Fedora. I like to play with the system; she likes to get work done. We both like changes that make her work easier. But frankly the prospect of training her on the tablet-centric UIs that seem to be in vogue these days holds no joy for me. A lot of the functionality, if it's there, is undiscoverable as near as I can tell. I can't in clear conscience suggest that switching her from GNOME 2 is going to make getting her work done easier.I very much appreciate the housecleaning the GNOME code base has gone through, and I'm also glad the hear that expected functionality is being made available on top of that code base at last. Idealy, by the time my wife's LTS is no longer supported, GNOME 3 will be customizable and functional enough that she would hardly notice the transition. But the most exciting thing I've heard on the UI front lately from the stand point of "what to do once her LTS is dead" is that the next Fedora will ship with MATE. To your other point: yes, I have submitted bug reports to GNOME — not about power management but about a problem with scrolling regions in VTE (GNOME's virtual terminal emulation). It's was reported in 2008, it's still marked "unconfirmed" even though the fix has been in their bugzilla since December 2010 and the VTE maintainer of the time claims to be able to reproduce it with the test code provided. I know GNOME is short staffed, but if others' experience of pushing fixes to GNOME are like this (rather like pushing a rope up a hill) I'm not surprised people are finding better uses for their time. And finally, I have ranted on GNOME 3 issues on LWN in the past probably a couple of times more than was necessary. To the LWN community, I'm sorry. At some point it's difficult to say anything critical without coming across as just piling on. I hope this doesn't come across as a rant; I don't feel ranty as I type this. I'll be happy if GNOME makes the cut as my wife's next desktop.
Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 5, 2012 7:17 UTC (Wed) by cabrilo (guest, #72372) [Link]
We are a off topic here, and especially with reddit's tone it's a little hard to talk about Gnome 3.
However, this is my question: How can I test GNOME 3? I don't have any Linux desktop's around, and the only machine I could play with runs Debian Stable and upgrading to Gnome 3 would be a lot of time and effort. I can test the live CD I guess, but I need something more permanent so I can actually try to do some work with it. If I run it in VirtualBox, I won't have hardware acceleration and it will fall back into fallback mode which defeats the purpose of testing.
Any ideas how to try out GNOME 3? Any luck getting it to run in some virtualization software (OS X as the host in my case)? I'd like to avoid dual booting Linux on it, as I had issues before where it screwed up my partition table and I currently don't have any spare external HD's laying around.
Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 5, 2012 9:16 UTC (Wed) by sciurus (subscriber, #58832) [Link]
In Virtualbox you can enable 3D acceleration for guests. I tried it on a Fedora live CD and got GNOME Shell. However, for some reason the cpu was spending 100% of it's time servicing interrupts so it wasn't usable.
Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 7, 2012 10:17 UTC (Fri) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
Try Fallback mode for her. This should work well.
Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 4, 2012 19:26 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
To some, a discoverable "Power Off" doesn't seem like it should require an extension.
> Gnome 3.6 brings power off back fyi.
That's why Oak's article begins, "What a shame it comes only now..."
His post sounded pretty level-headed to me. If you read it as bashing, I suggest you compare it to some of the trolls.
Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 5, 2012 19:48 UTC (Wed) by oak (guest, #2786) [Link]
The main points of my long post could be summarized as:
* Several of Unity design decisions are a usability disaster for people with smaller 4:3 displays and who need to use also Windows (which works differently). I hope Gnome3 isn't going to adopt them * Gnome3 is pretty OK and seems to be getting better, but for slightly older laptops XFCE still seems a bit better fit than the Gnome version in current distros. Especially for people who mainly use just LibreOffice and Firefox i.e. for whom maturity of XFCE default apps isn't a problem... * Switching away from Gnome3 is easier than installing 3rd party extensions for it. Because of this, telling people who aren't gnome developers / enthusiasts to use extensions sounds like a polite way to say "piss off"
I mean, extensions are a nice mechanism for gnome enthusiasts to experiment different kind of UI features, but gnome developers shouldn't expect others to install random code from some www-site they have no experience with.
Without such code being useful/important enough to have been packaged in the distro repositories i.e. tested to work with gnome version one is using & not break it, signed etc, why normal user would even consider installing it?
Day: Taking GNOME 3 to the next level Posted Sep 6, 2012 8:48 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] gnome developers shouldn't expect others to install random code from some www-site they have no experience with. I expect (in the probabilistic sense) others to install random code from some website they have no experience with, even if I don't expect (in the Nelsonian sense) them to.
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