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Kamp: A Generation Lost in the BazaarKamp: A Generation Lost in the BazaarPosted Aug 21, 2012 14:20 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333)In reply to: Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar by xan Parent article: Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar
I thought people got pissed off about Gnome _removing_ features and caring too much about design.
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Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 21, 2012 18:01 UTC (Tue) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
Gnome removes things not because they care about design, but because they want new shiny things and just eliminate the code for the old, working things.
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 21, 2012 22:29 UTC (Tue) by Company (guest, #57006) [Link]
That assumes GNOME actually wants something.
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 22, 2012 10:38 UTC (Wed) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]
Don't anthropomorphize GNOME, it hates it.
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 23, 2012 13:15 UTC (Thu) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784) [Link]
Don't speak on GNOME's behalf, either! It hates that almost as much as being anthropomorphized!
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 21, 2012 22:33 UTC (Tue) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
The "design" of Gnome 3 is based on some misguided notion that there is a "philosophy" a desktop should follow. Creating a good desktop is essentially a utilitarian problem. When things become (measurably) more cumbersome, that is a design failure, no matter how much or how little one cares about the design. Similarly, when well established and understood metaphors are replaced with half baked hacks that have surprising effects, that is another design failure.
As for removing features, that is OK, as long as the functionality can be obtained in some other way, which is equal or better than the existing way. In the case of removal of the type-ahead feature of Nautilus, this is certainly not the case. Ergo, people complained.
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 22, 2012 8:20 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
The original poster seemed to think that taking a quote from a blog article complaining about how Linux/free software-type folks have a lack of direction, discipline , and favor features willy-nilly would be useful in insulting gnome developers in future discussions.
I am just pointing out that people tend to piss and moan because of features being removed and Gnome caring too much about their design, which is quite the opposite.
How much you appreciate the design philosophy that you believe that the gnome project has is not really pertinent to my comment.
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 22, 2012 23:05 UTC (Wed) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
What I was trying to point out is that I think both you and the original poster have it wrong. Legitimate complaints about Gnome (3) are based on neither the amount of caring for "grand design" nor feature creep/removal. It is far more mundane than that. As I said, it is essentially a utilitarian problem.
People were able to do certain things the old way. They find that in the new system they either cannot do them or that they are more cumbersome. That's about it. They couldn't give a toss about the rest.
So, the pertinence of my comment in relation to Gnome design is in the fact that that design is concerning itself with irrelevancies (i.e. the philosophy), so it cannot possibly be the source of legitimate complaints.
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 23, 2012 17:46 UTC (Thu) by jedidiah (guest, #20319) [Link]
The problem with GNOME3 is not their vision but that they didn't leave the old version in place while they created it. You should be able to upgrade any distro from GNOME2 to GNOME3 without seeing any differences. Your old interfaces should remain intact and in place.
That doesn't happen with something like Ubuntu 12.04.
They didn't just make something new. They trashed the old stuff while they were at it. They made new forks necessary just by refusing to leave the old stuff alone.
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 24, 2012 1:56 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
Exactly my point. Thank you.
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