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Kamp: A Generation Lost in the BazaarKamp: A Generation Lost in the BazaarPosted Aug 20, 2012 22:41 UTC (Mon) by nix (subscriber, #2304)In reply to: Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar by hummassa Parent article: Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar
I note also that he spends much of the article complaining about Autoconf and Libtool. Go look at their principal authors -- not much dotcom abandoned generation there, many of them were doing free software development in the early 90s or even before, and most of those people are still around, so the callow newcomers get their stuff vetted by the old farts of PHK's generation.
(I do wonder if, as a Linux user since 1997 and a Unix user since 1993, I would count as a dotcom abandoned generation member simply because I entered the workforce in 1999...)
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Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 22, 2012 13:50 UTC (Wed) by markhb (guest, #1003) [Link] You are apparently the only person Google is aware of who has ever used the phrase, "dotcom abandoned generation". For the benefit of those of us whose work and life experience hasn't had anything at all to do with Silicon Valley or even any technology startups, can you please explain what you meant by the phrase and how it relates to the rest of the discussion?
Kamp: A Generation Lost in the Bazaar Posted Aug 22, 2012 16:34 UTC (Wed) by jwakely (subscriber, #60262) [Link]
From the original PHK article:
> "So far they have all failed spectacularly, because the generation of lost dot-com wunderkinder in the bazaar has never seen a cathedral and therefore cannot even imagine why you would want one in the first place, much less what it should look like."
Lost dot-com wunderkinder? Posted Aug 22, 2012 17:40 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Many in the dot-com generation have seen enough crumbled cathedrals to last us a lifetime, while the bazaars continue to thrive. Look the previous generation of monolithic operating systems (VMS, System/3x0), all the proprietary Unixen, their intellectual successor Plan 9, the *BSD family, all reduced to legacy state. Consider closed browsers as they lose the ongoing war against open source. Behold the multitude of proprietary abandoned web servers, while their Free counterparts continue to live in Linux repos and promiscuously accept patches from anywhere. Even the GNU project, the original cathedral, has adopted a more open approach to development. Not to speak about proprietary developments, supposedly cathedralicious but in reality more like oversized shacks, with reeking innards that require breathing equipment just to delve into.It's a mystery how PHK can blame the bazaar for anything. In fact I wonder why he even wants to install Firefox on FreeBSD at all instead of, I don't know, Abaco for Minix.
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