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BTW how is Tizen pronounced? As in the video Tisen? or Ti-Zen?
TizMee – Tizen compatibility layer for MeeGo
Posted Aug 13, 2012 19:49 UTC (Mon) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)
Free Software needs better naming because it doesn't have the marketing dollars. I'm really tired of trying to remember what all of these things are.
Some great names for Free Software:
- Libre Office
Some terrible names:
- Gnome (though it has good marketing)
Posted Aug 13, 2012 20:23 UTC (Mon) by kragil (guest, #34373)
I personally think Digicam would have been a better name than that childish KDE capital K crap, but that is just me.
Libre Office is pretty awful in my country, OpenOffice was/is much better. Clang does not need a good name, only projects that consumers might need to know profit from having a good name. Clang is hardly something big parts of the population need to know about.
Posted Aug 13, 2012 21:47 UTC (Mon) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)
I don't care so much about the "K" KDE stuff as long as I can guess what it is. digiKam is certainly one of the lesser offenders as far as silliness goes. :)
Posted Aug 13, 2012 22:04 UTC (Mon) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
"No... well, yes, it's an Android phone, so it's similar to the Droid, but it's made by HTC."
"Fine, yes, it's a Droid. Nice, huh?"
Posted Aug 13, 2012 22:29 UTC (Mon) by kragil (guest, #34373)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 0:13 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 3:57 UTC (Tue) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 3:58 UTC (Tue) by LightDot (guest, #73140)
Thus taking either your or mine impressions and assuming we now have an insight into the worldwide product recognition seems to be a bit premature.
Posted Aug 14, 2012 14:18 UTC (Tue) by joeldillon (guest, #86199)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 15:48 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
OT: Android vs droid vs FDroid
Posted Aug 14, 2012 15:39 UTC (Tue) by debacle (subscriber, #7114)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 11:21 UTC (Tue) by dodocaptain (subscriber, #44818)
Over here in New Zealand, Android has pretty strong recognition with consumers who tend to understand that there is a range of vendors selling Android phones with different hardware styles and software capabilities.
It may start to change as marketing of specific models gets more aggressive, there's been a huge amount of advertising for the Samsung Galaxy S3, more so than any model in the past, will be interesting to see what effect it makes on consumers over time.
Posted Aug 14, 2012 1:23 UTC (Tue) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106)
Most people google things instead of searching for them. Google doesn't have the name because it means search, it means search because it does the thing. If your purpose is strong enough any name will become natural and right--provided you can both read it when written and pronounce it out louad.
Posted Aug 14, 2012 17:35 UTC (Tue) by shmerl (guest, #65921)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 21:50 UTC (Tue) by teknohog (guest, #70891)
There used to be a company called Zendroid that actually dealt with robotics. Google and Lucasfilm asked the company to change its name because of trademark issues.
I have no connection with this company, but somehow this incident is incredibly sad and stupid.
At least Windows has something to do with graphical user interfaces.
Posted Aug 13, 2012 21:16 UTC (Mon) by Kit (guest, #55925)
Posted Aug 13, 2012 21:44 UTC (Mon) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 1:08 UTC (Tue) by mikov (subscriber, #33179)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 3:20 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)
Wikipedia: "In physics, a phonon is a collective excitation in a periodic, elastic arrangement of atoms or molecules in condensed matter, such as solids and some liquids."
Unless there is some other audio-related meaning to "phonon" that is more specialized, I don't see how it fits.
And even if there *is* such a meaning, it is certainly isn't the first thing one thinks about when encountering the word.
Posted Aug 14, 2012 3:43 UTC (Tue) by sfeam (subscriber, #2841)
Closer to on-topic. Is "TizMee" to be pronounced tease me or 'tis me?
Posted Aug 14, 2012 4:06 UTC (Tue) by mikov (subscriber, #33179)
That certainly is the first meaning that comes to my mind. I wasn't even aware of the physical meaning, and neither are most people, I am sure.
How about Git as an example of a bad name that is also very good :-)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 7:51 UTC (Tue) by renox (subscriber, #23785)
So phonon is related to sound, which makes it an "on topic" name, its mains drawback is that not a lot of people know what is a phonon (as you've shown).
Posted Aug 14, 2012 14:39 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)
Posted Aug 15, 2012 1:49 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 2:02 UTC (Tue) by Kit (guest, #55925)
Linux is just a totally made up name, that's only mildly similar to 'unix' (which even fewer people likely know these days). Nobody's going to be able to guess what Linux is just by the name.
Clang is DEFINITELY not obvious at all. I only JUST NOW realized that 'Clang' could be read as a combination of 'C' and 'lang' (and I've used it as a compiler/analyzer a fair bit!). Maybe the people that run the project pronounce it as 'c-lang', but I doubt most people would read it that way.
On the other hand, most people would likely guess that Phonon has /something/ to do with audio, even if they aren't familiar with the word 'Phonon' itself. People might not guess that 'Amarok' is a music player, but the 'rok' at the end of the name is something they'd likely be able to use to help them remember what it is.
(Personally, I also don't like the name 'Libre Office' either, simply because saying it feels like the vocal equivalent of banging the keyboard randomly)
As sorpigal (and others) have said, I'd disagree that a name must instantly say what the software's function is. It can work, as long as you're consistent with the pattern (Apple having done a fairly good job with i<Word>, although they also have <Word>
Posted Aug 14, 2012 3:25 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (subscriber, #65432)
"Linux" is an obvious play on "Unix" to those familiar with the field.
I'll grant that "Clang" is a bit of a stretch but it is easy to remember upon understanding "C lang(uage)."
"Libre Office" works better in some languages than others but the fact is that "Open Office" (another good name) was already taken.
I understand the whole Google/Search branding argument but again that is largely a function of marketing and Free Software doesn't have enough of that. We have to have good naming.
I'm much less concerned about naming components like "Clang" than I am with user-visible tool names. Some of my own projects have terrible names but at least they're libraries. :)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 5:38 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
Posted Aug 29, 2012 13:06 UTC (Wed) by philomath (guest, #84172)
Posted Aug 15, 2012 2:07 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
Posted Aug 15, 2012 11:55 UTC (Wed) by pboddie (subscriber, #50784)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 15:59 UTC (Tue) by gbraad (guest, #42498)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 16:12 UTC (Tue) by theophrastus (guest, #80847)
oh well... for my money as long as the name has a good search discrimination i class it as a good name. avoid common nouns, and single letters (or single letters followed by punctuation; "C..", "C(#|++|etc)", "R" (yes i know about "cran")). so "spirit" is bad, but "xkcd" is good. pronunciation? meh, who actually vocalizes anymore? who pronounces "Linux" the *proper* Linus way?
Posted Aug 14, 2012 17:17 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 22:04 UTC (Tue) by shmerl (guest, #65921)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 22:47 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 23:25 UTC (Tue) by theophrastus (guest, #80847)
then i just had this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfHm6R5le0 pointed out to me he seems to have 'adopted'? the (ghastly) murkun way. (roughly: lin-ucks) which is the way i've heard every person in the states pronounce it (Dutch and German folks... not so much) [shrug]
Posted Aug 15, 2012 8:00 UTC (Wed) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 22:03 UTC (Tue) by shmerl (guest, #65921)
Posted Aug 14, 2012 18:43 UTC (Tue) by doogie (subscriber, #2445)
Windows -> These are not the glass variety.
Starbucks -> You won't find a monetary unit here that can be used in interstellar space.
Posted Dec 21, 2012 20:08 UTC (Fri) by pr1268 (subscriber, #24648)
> Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds -> how do you know these are food related products?
I'm sure these names in particular enjoy a certain level of ubiquity to have most of the population associate them with food and drinks. I suppose, though, that the rapidly evolving nature of software kinda puts a damper on establishing this ubiquity for various application software packages.
> Windows -> These are not the glass variety.
> Starbucks -> You won't find a monetary unit here that can be used in interstellar space.
I believe Microsoft named it "Windows" because it was/is like a window into your computer. Or something like that. Starbucks (the coffee shop chain) is named after a character in the Herman Melville novel Moby-Dick.
P.S. Any criticism of Gnome (as a name for a Window Manager) can be re-assessed when you consider it's an acronym of GNU Network Object Model Environment (whatever that means).
Posted Dec 21, 2012 20:21 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
At the time, this was not the normal mode of operations
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