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Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Posted Aug 12, 2012 2:40 UTC (Sun) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950)
In reply to: Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME by nix
Parent article: Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

though GNOME has long had a wide streak of developer contempt for users, where 'users' are defined as 'anyone not a GNOME developer': so maybe this is just an existing tendency intensifying into an outright pathology

So GNOME has contempt for users? News to me! Stating your beliefs as true doesn't make it true. Cool that you're annoyed, but no need to vent.


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Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Posted Aug 12, 2012 6:02 UTC (Sun) by billev2k (subscriber, #32054) [Link]

It sure seems to me that the GNOME developers have contempt for their users. While GNOME 3 implements some great ideas, it's pretty aggressive in its "one thing at a time" approach. And it is pretty lousy for someone (like me) who remembers where things are kept, but not what they're called. And their response to every question about their changes is "get over it".

And the new Nautilus (from the screenshots and descriptions) seems completely useless. But more iPad like -- a screenfull of icons.

Thank goodness for Mint...

Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Posted Aug 12, 2012 14:37 UTC (Sun) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link]

"Stating your beliefs as true doesn't make it true."

No, but you saying that doesn't mean nix's comment is untrue either. Let's have another look at this recent bug report shall we, and see whether the attitude of the Gnome devs could be considered to show contempt towards the users they're communicating with.

- Firstly, a long established feature, commonly understood, available across multiple desktops, has been summarily broken. Already, that shows a degree of contempt.

- Next up, the first response from the Gnome project is to ignore the substance of the bug report completely, and attempt to immediately derail any discussion by telling the reporter off for being mean (which he wasn't). Definitely contemptuous behaviour.

- Having rather rudely told the bug reporter to stick to the technical issues, his (and others') technical concerns about scalability, NFS filesystems and so forth are dismissed with "It isn't a problem because we're not going to be stupid". Absolutely dripping with contempt.

- Another user weighs in to point out that this seems to be a pattern of behaviour from the Gnome project, and is explicitly told to go away, and that what they've said "is NOT welcome".

- Despite having managed to get through some technical discussion on why a search feature (however good it may be) is not a replacement for the removed feature, and doesn't cover the same use cases, the maintainer dismisses the whole bug report by saying that he doesn't "see type-ahead find coming back". There's utter contempt from the project for its users there, and in at least two ways. Firstly; the pointless removal of a useful (and used) feature, and secondly, the attitude that users have to back up what they say with detailed technical arguments and bug reports for every little thing, but the project can just hand down a decision with no such technical supporting case at all.

- The whole report ends with another user explaining at some length why the removed feature is useful, used, and widely expected, and that removing it actually is a bug, and the project's representative responds by threatening to delete his account!

The fact is that the Gnome project is treating its users with contempt, and saying it doesn't need to make it true - it just reflects the reality that it already is.

Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Posted Aug 12, 2012 16:19 UTC (Sun) by Rehdon (guest, #45440) [Link]

And I thought that bug report discussion couldn't get any worse, boy was I wrong!

Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Posted Aug 12, 2012 16:34 UTC (Sun) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

I've felt contempt from the Gnome3 project as a whole, and from you personally. How is this news to you?

> Cool that you're annoyed

Seriously, how is this news to you?

Dricot: A freasy future for GNOME

Posted Aug 13, 2012 12:40 UTC (Mon) by Thanatopsis (guest, #14019) [Link]

>So GNOME has contempt for users?

They sure come across like they do. I've read many contemptuous posts here on lwn and in the forums. This link is a good summery. http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2011/06/25/gnome-dev...

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