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McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus]McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus]Posted Aug 5, 2012 23:52 UTC (Sun) by ewan (subscriber, #5533)In reply to: McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] by ovitters Parent article: McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus]
"Now the comment about sticking to technical matters was a direct response to [...]"
No, it wasn't. It was comment #2, the first response to the original bug reporter, who had already stuck to technical matters. It was a blatant attempt to derail the report and squash legitimate criticism. Your dishonest response here does neither you, nor GNOME, any favours at all.
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McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 9:51 UTC (Mon) by cladisch (✭ supporter ✭, #50193) [Link]
> "Now the comment about sticking to technical matters was a direct response to [...]"
> > No, it wasn't. It was comment #2, the first response to the original bug reporter, who had already stuck to technical matters.
It was a direct response to "Is there anybody here that stops and thinks whether everything that Jon McCann thinks up is a good idea?"
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 10:31 UTC (Mon) by sorpigal (subscriber, #36106) [Link]
> It was a direct response to "Is there anybody here that stops and thinks whether everything that Jon McCann thinks up is a good idea?"
Sounds like a purely technical question, to me. Would it have been somehow less offensive if he had rephrased to omit mention of the name of the person who thought up the idea that lead to the technically horrible change?
Try this on for size: "Is there anybody whose responsibility it is to review whether the changes recommended by designers are good for the application?" Is that better? Although I can't see the value in not naming the person, I suppose this sounds more politically correct.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 16:57 UTC (Mon) by Company (guest, #57006) [Link]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Both the original question and your rephrasing qualify as that. One uses the name, the other uses "the designers".
The correct question would be:
And that sounds very much like a rhetorical question to me.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 17:45 UTC (Mon) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
> Both the original question and your rephrasing qualify as that.
Posting a link that refutes your own claim is a pretty poor show if you're trying to get others to share your opinion.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 7, 2012 0:11 UTC (Tue) by Company (guest, #57006) [Link]
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 7, 2012 10:35 UTC (Tue) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
Please come back once you have learned basic reading comprehension; you're embarrassing yourself.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 7, 2012 10:50 UTC (Tue) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]
That's not an "ad hominem" attack, it's a question about how the GNOME development organization works.
Although a more pertinent question would be "is there anyone outside the GNOME clique that checks whether the maintainers of GNOME applications do a good job?"
And that's indeed rhetorical, since clearly there's no one checking.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 7, 2012 23:32 UTC (Tue) by Company (guest, #57006) [Link]
It's an ad hominem because it explicitly mentions Jon McCann after pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of him (namely: All your whining i this whole thread). Granted, it's somewhat more complicated than the usual your mom jokes.
Also, there are various instances outside of GNOME that check whether the maintainers of GNOME applications do a good job. In fact, you are doing that in this thread. It's a side effect of open development.
What you're really after is this: Who is doing anything when GNOME developers mess up?
And that is happening. Those people enjoy Unity, KDE and XFCE. At least if you believe what they're writing everywhere.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 10:04 UTC (Mon) by colo (subscriber, #45564) [Link]
It really is sad in a way, but this is _exactly_ what the bug's comment history and the reaction to it in this thread made me think, too.
I'm afraid GNOME's fate is already sealed, and it's not a pretty one.
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