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McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus]McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus]Posted Aug 5, 2012 21:07 UTC (Sun) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)In reply to: McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] by Pawlerson Parent article: McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus]
Can you provide the methodology for how you are doing the counting where you come to that conclusion?
Counting linux usage is a pretty difficult thing to get correct. Counting specific desktop environment usage even more so. So if you are going to be making comparative claims as to market penetration, please describe the analysis process and data sources you are using to generate the numbers. Without some sort of published methodology, any the credibility of any claim with regard to market impact is difficult to assess.
-jef
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McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 10:09 UTC (Mon) by fb (subscriber, #53265) [Link]
Somehow I have the impression that your standards wouldn't be set so high if the GP poster was complaining about Ubuntu.
IIRC the Linux Journal popularity polls consistently gave KDE more than 2/3 of the Linux desktop users preferences. Those polls were not perfect, but AFAIK they were the best we had to measure project popularity.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 10:28 UTC (Mon) by slashdot (guest, #22014) [Link]
Maybe, but at least personally, the impression was that GNOME had always been regarded as "the" free software desktop environment, resulting both from the support of the most important Linux distribution (Red Hat then Ubuntu, with Debian neutral), as well as the fact that Qt was initially non-free and in general did not mesh much with free software conventions.
And that's why the destruction of GNOME by their current maintainers is so irksome: they devastated the trademark that once was the reference for the free software community, and are the cause of the current unprecedented fragmentation of efforts and mindshare into XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon, Unity and KDE.
In addition to that, they also fragmented the underlying technology panorama by introducing a GTK 3 that isn't a smooth upgrade from GTK 2 (e.g. GTK 2 themes don't work with GTK 3), and introduced Clutter, which due to the OpenGL requirement cannot currently be used in low-overhead virtualization and thus cannot be used in a non-niche desktop.
Overall, the GNOME 3 effort has probably been the biggest setback for the Linux desktop ever, a true catastrophe without equals.
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 7, 2012 0:14 UTC (Tue) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]
> the cause of the current unprecedented fragmentation of efforts and mindshare into XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon, Unity and KDE.
Yeah, the latest and rather visible cause for sure. I was hoping that with the introduction of freedesktop.org, the fragmentation would diminish. No such luck for now, I'm afraid... :-(
McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 16:03 UTC (Mon) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
I try to be very consistent with my call for methodology.
Thanks for the LJ reader's choice awards reference.
Looking back at the pre 2006 readers choice awards, KDE was indeed consistently polling higher
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McCann: Cross Cut [the future of Nautilus] Posted Aug 6, 2012 10:56 UTC (Mon) by Pawlerson (guest, #74136) [Link]
There were polls and the most important distributions were shipping KDE3 as a default environment. Then came Ubuntu and gnome become more popular. If you want to prove it wasn't like that feel free to do so. Todays, Ubuntu doesn't ship gnome3 and it's the least popular desktop (ignoring some tiny ones). Btw. you're biased.
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