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Posted Jul 29, 2012 21:24 UTC (Sun) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
I know Gnome 3 caused me to buy a Mac (can't afford downtime when consulting, already burned by KDE). No idea how many others have done the same thing. Anyone have numbers?
Posted Jul 30, 2012 3:43 UTC (Mon) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
I can understand with GNOME 3 that they were trying to grab for the Brass Ring and get onto the next wave, Ubuntu is trying too as is Win8 (Mac OS X is succeeding). I've played with the latest Fedora and Ubuntu in VMs and I prefer Unity to Gnome Shell.
Switching to Apple
Posted Jul 31, 2012 15:08 UTC (Tue) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
Buying a Mac is a pretty drastic response, and IMO is a sellout to everything the Free Software movement stands for.
There are other desktop environments besides the Big 2 and some of them are a pretty painless transition from GNOME 2.
Posted Jul 31, 2012 18:18 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
consoles - ipad/iphone - windows - mac - android - linuxes - gnewsense
I'm just trying to find a stable platform for work while staying as close to open source as I can. I have strong ideals but I can't bill for trying out desktop environments and tracking down display bugs.
When F15 dropped, I had some tight deadlines. After finding Gnome3 unusable on both my work computers (yes, bugs filed), I spent two vacation days trying, xfce, lxde, and E17. All failed for different reasons (often ssh-agent unreliability/conflicts, which we use heavily). Any suggestions on what else to try? KDE4 wasted a lot of time, not feeling real compelled to go back there.
I found myself out of time and out of options... I needed something that would work THAT DAY and the the Mac was a desperation move. It saved my job. I miss FFM but, other than that, I was productive within 1/2 hour of opening the box. Plus, I must say, the 13" Air is a phenomenal form factor. C'mon ultrabooks, catch up!
It's somewhat heartbreaking... I've used Linux for work since 1997 (with some forays into Solaris). When a Linux desktop environment appears that just works reliably and long term (c'mon Cinnamon!), I'll put Linux on this Air. Maybe in two years.
And, if Apple ever pulls a Gnome3, KDE4, or Windows8, I'll switch to something else.
Posted Jul 31, 2012 18:52 UTC (Tue) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
Interesting continuum. I'm not sure that Windows is more of a sellout than Mac. I'd either reverse that or have them tied.
Any suggestions on what else to try?
I'm surprised XFCE failed for you... it works well for me and I have no issues with ssh-agent.
C'mon ultrabooks, catch up!
My daughter runs Debian on a Toshiba Satellite Z830 and I drool with envy...
Posted Jul 31, 2012 20:28 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
That post ends on a positive note but I never quite got it stable... I don't remember what the problem was, something related to running half XFCE services and half Gnome I'm sure.
Haven't tried .10 yet, maybe ssh-agent is fixed.
Posted Jul 31, 2012 20:36 UTC (Tue) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
Wow, was I thrashing. You can almost hear the panic in my voice. :)
Posted Aug 1, 2012 0:09 UTC (Wed) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
Ah, OK. I guess we have different use-cases for desktop environments. I use XFCE to launch my web browser, my mail client, and as many xterms as I can decently run. :) Once those are up, I'm a command-line guy... I hardly use the "desktop" stuff for anything.
Posted Aug 1, 2012 0:26 UTC (Wed) by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
I do require working sound, power manager, and network manager though.
Posted Aug 1, 2012 11:20 UTC (Wed) by hummassa (subscriber, #307)
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