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Zacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessmentZacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessmentPosted Jul 4, 2012 21:05 UTC (Wed) by e1304631 (guest, #85470)In reply to: Zacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment by anselm Parent article: Zacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment
"don't even show up in the package database."
They do show up in the online package database: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
"In the past the FSF has taken exception at the Debian installer asking the user, in a neutral tone (i.e., no »encouraging« or »recommending« going on), whether they want to enable the »contrib« and »non-free« repositories."
So at worse Debian is recommending it (the question's being *asked*, after all) or at best that means Debian's trying to be neutral. I don' see how can people be expected to learn about the problems of proprietary software if Debian is (at best) being neutral on the topic.
"Debian wants to allow its users an informed choice while the FSF would rather patronise them."
Not at all. Please see my original comments: "I don't think the FSF wants to control what software people install on their machines -- even if they could. Rather, it seems to be about whether the system should recommend/encourage them to do so, not whether people decide to do so on their own."
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Zacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment Posted Jul 4, 2012 21:43 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] Please see my original comments: "I don't think the FSF wants to control what software people install on their machines -- even if they could. […]" How is trying to hide the very existence of non-free software not wanting to control what software people install on their machines (however futile that endeavour may turn out to be in the end)?
Zacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment Posted Jul 4, 2012 22:04 UTC (Wed) by e1304631 (guest, #85470) [Link]
"How is trying to hide the very existence of non-free software..."
I think we're talking about different things. You should read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html
Modified to include the word "Debian" instead: "The issue here is not whether people should be able or allowed to install nonfree software; a general-purpose system enables and allows users to do whatever they wish. The issue is whether Debian should guide users towards nonfree software. What they do on their own is their responsibility; what Debian does for them, and what Debian directs them towards, is another matter. Debian must not direct the users towards proprietary software as if it were a solution, because proprietary software is the problem."
Zacchiroli: working with FSF on Debian Free-ness assessment Posted Jul 6, 2012 18:26 UTC (Fri) by Fats (subscriber, #14882) [Link]
Hope that Debian does not try to solve this 'bug' then.
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