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Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC)
The BBC reports
that the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement" (ACTA) has been rejected by
the European Parliament. "Wednesday's vote is seen by most observers
as the final blow to the treaty in its current form. It means no member
states will be able to join the agreement. A total of 478 MEPs voted
against the deal, with 39 in favour. There were 165 abstentions."
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Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 4, 2012 15:01 UTC (Wed) by dan_linder (guest, #88) [Link]
Yay! Unfortunately this is probably going to be a short lived win and the industry will come up with a new spin, possibly making smaller changes to legislation that add up to the same effect.
What they should do is work WITH us (consumers, not just the geek population) and help come up with solutions that allow for us to use the products in a responsible manner.
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 4, 2012 15:35 UTC (Wed) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
No, they should only work with geeks. Everything else would be stupid.
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 5, 2012 4:18 UTC (Thu) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] You may have been sarcastic, but I was surprised how little insight an ordinary consumer has for the copyright issues. I was talking to an ambulance driver about cell phones. He asked me to help him download a ring tone onto his cell phone. I told him that cell phone companies want to make money on every piece of music that is downloaded. He answered that he understands that and that's correct because of the copyright. I tried to explain that the copyright is a tangential issue. A ring tone may be in the public domain. Or maybe I have composed it. Yet I still cannot set it as the ring tone for free on my cell phone. I don't think he even understood what I was talking about. Somehow "copyright" became synonymous with the control that big companies wield over consumers, and that control is seen as beneficial.
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 5, 2012 6:00 UTC (Thu) by juliank (subscriber, #45896) [Link]
Right, and I was not sarcastic at all. If politicians who do not know anything about a topic talk with other people who don't know anything about it, that would not make the situation better. Since only geeks actually know anything about the topic, it makes sense to discuss such things with geeks.
turning of the tide Posted Jul 4, 2012 16:30 UTC (Wed) by copsewood (subscriber, #199) [Link]
Once the Internet community mobilised to chuck SOPA/PIPA out, big content no longer had exclusive access to politicians ears on copyright issues. I see this as part of the same trend. No doubt the lobbyists for big content will try continuing as before, but that'll be in a state of denial. My German relatives told me some ex Stasi were still found monitoring the no-longer existing border a year or so after the Berlin Wall came down. Expect more of the same. Lobbyists will lobby, so long as their paymasters pay their salaries, and perhaps a few will continue even after the salary cheques stop coming.
This news would be correct... Posted Jul 4, 2012 16:27 UTC (Wed) by sturmflut (guest, #38256) [Link]
...if the parliament had any power and was not completely ignored by the commission.
This news would be correct... Posted Jul 4, 2012 17:39 UTC (Wed) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] From the official web site of the European Parliament, one can find these words: The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), was rejected by the European Parliament on Wednesday, and hence cannot become law in the EU. This was the first time that Parliament exercised its Lisbon Treaty power to reject an international trade agreement. 478 MEPs voted against ACTA, 39 in favour, and 165 abstained.
This news would be correct... Posted Jul 4, 2012 19:36 UTC (Wed) by Felix (subscriber, #36445) [Link] The Treaty of Lisbon is active since 2009 and since then the EU parlament has actually a say in certain things (like ACTA). The commission can't ignore the parlament in that. No doubt they'll try again to get something like ACTA2 but at least that's victory for now.
Hello democracy : Goodbye ACTA Posted Jul 4, 2012 22:05 UTC (Wed) by Alterego (subscriber, #55989) [Link]
nice picture at the EU parliament :-)
http://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/2012/07/02/afe6f6ae-c5ed-11...
photo : VINCENT KESSLER/REUTERS
Good picture Posted Jul 4, 2012 23:00 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (subscriber, #15091) [Link] Thanks, that made my day. Sometimes you need something like that to increase your faith in humanity. That way it can be crushed again to pieces more effectively, the next time :)
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 5, 2012 8:18 UTC (Thu) by rwst (guest, #84121) [Link]
You're all a bit naive. They simply will put it again on the table, hoping the crowd is gone by then.
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=S...
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 5, 2012 16:34 UTC (Thu) by apoelstra (subscriber, #75205) [Link]
The impression I got from the other side of the pond, and after seeing the "Hello Democracy!" posters, is that the politicians themselves are against intrusive copyright law. That is, they aren't just doing this to protect their jobs.
So when the next round comes, they'll still block it, even if the media pressure isn't there.
(I apologize if your link contradicts what I just said -- I get a "server overloaded" error when I try to follow it.)
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 6, 2012 17:40 UTC (Fri) by webmink (guest, #47180) [Link]
I think you will find their main objection was the the heavy-handed attempt at a fait accompli by the European Commission, rather than a consistent objection to any aspect of copyright, patent or trademark law.
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 13, 2012 20:13 UTC (Fri) by JanC_ (guest, #34940) [Link]
I think the rejection was not only because they are against everything in ACTA (several of them certainly are), but many MEPs were also offended because the EP was kept out of the loop while ACTA was written, even after they asked several times to be part of the discussions so that they could hear arguments, etc.
That's probably also what the "democracy" signs are about: "don't ever try to ignore us again"...
Controversial anti-piracy agreement rejected by EU (BBC) Posted Jul 6, 2012 10:03 UTC (Fri) by Felix (subscriber, #36445) [Link]
More likely they need rephrase the thing, do it a bit differently, try smaller agreements to find a way around and probably they'll be successful with some of that.
Still it's a great success and everyone should enjoy it for a few days.
With the success of the "Piratenpartei" (Pirate Party) in Germany (they got about 10% in several state elections) the traditional parties notice. 10% voter share is not to be despised even for the biggest parties. So EU politicians will be more careful in the future about copyright-related issues.
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