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Distribution quotes of the week
That users are more important than developers. Although in Gentoo
that line is quite blurry, let's be honest: without users, what would
we need developers for? I believe we should first think about making
things more friendly to users, then about making them easier for devs.
Not the other way around.
-- Michał Górny
No, if we have to beg Microsoft for permission to conveniently
install Fedora, we have lost our freedom to conveniently, without
asking permission of Microsoft, install Fedora. Why should we
beg Microsoft for a power which last month we had, and which
Microsoft has seized to itself?
-- Jay Sulzberger
Of course the actions by Microsoft are against anti-trust law in the US and in Europe grossly violate the rule against tying of software and hardware. And claiming "Why you could pirouette and do a handspring backwards, and if Microsoft agrees, then you can install Fedora, so there is no extra bar to installation." is incorrect. Before now we did not have to do the pirouette and handspring. Before the New Microsoft Regime of Booting, we did not have to beg Microsoft to sign our keys.
At some point this tie needs to be broken for good and here is my
suggestion as the election coordinator. If this round also ends in a
tie we do the following:
-- John Rose(1) Live webcast of the candidates playing rock paper scissors lizard spock. This will last at most 17 rounds. If the candidates both stubbornly refuse to budge from spock for all 17 rounds we go to step 2. (2) Live webcast of the candidates in a 17 minute long hotdog eating contest. Again, we allow for ties and repeat this up to 17 times. If 289 minutes of stuffing themselves with hotdogs does not resolve the matter I think they have both earned a seat on the Board. (Log in to post comments)
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 21, 2012 21:01 UTC (Thu) by gorm (guest, #85267) [Link]
[About Lennart Poettering]
<mgorny> that man should just be put in line with Ciaran and shot so he'll do no more harm -- Michał Górny
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 21, 2012 22:00 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
Yikes, that's awful.
At some level I just don't understand what the Poettering animosity is all about, sometimes it seems like crabs in a bucket, pulling down anyone who tries to do better. If so then maybe that will only be fixed by natural, mortal, attrition, like how many scientific disciplines work.
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 22, 2012 15:56 UTC (Fri) by am (guest, #69042) [Link]
Wait... what?
Michał Górny is the lead of the Gentoo systemd project... Wouldn't that be a bit of a weird thing for him to say?
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/systemd/index.xml
(I'd like to believe it's a poor mud-slinging attempt by a certain individual known for resorting to such tactics)
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 22, 2012 15:59 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
Maybe it was meant ironically or sarcastically and was quoted out of context? Maybe familiarity has bred contempt?
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 22, 2012 18:26 UTC (Fri) by gorm (guest, #85267) [Link]
You can always ask him yourself. It was said by him in #gentoo-dev on freenode on Thursday, 21st, 22:25:35.
Here's the context as well:
[Thursday 21 June 2012] [22:21:56] <mgorny> I just left #systemd
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 21, 2012 22:14 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
Jay's position is a non-starter, there is no recognized freedom of convenience so saying we have 'lost our freedom' is hyperbolic and untrue. This is also a mischaracterization of the Fedora position, as far as I know it, which only to participate with a pre-signed boot loader on hardware which is user serviceable, so they explicitly aren't making Fedora for systems with a locked boot loader. It should be obvious that if there is a significant change in the x86 market toward locked boot loaders then there will be a new crossroads and debate, Fedora will probably only ever support hardware which is not boot locked.
Distribution quotes of the week Posted Jun 21, 2012 22:19 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
Also I should point out that if you are trying to convince someone of your ideas that the apparent dislike for Microsoft also undercuts whatever idea you are trying to promote and will cause you to lose. It's better to be _for_ something than anti, the negativity is just a turn off and seems like sour grapes to most people.
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