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US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register)US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register)Posted Jun 12, 2012 10:40 UTC (Tue) by debacle (subscriber, #7114)In reply to: US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) by magfr Parent article: US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register)
I can't see any loophole here. US Navy has mainly two options:
The latter option is cheaper, the former option is preferable from a military POV (second chance to kill your enemy a.k.a. innocent children).
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US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 12, 2012 12:06 UTC (Tue) by markhb (guest, #1003) [Link]
Leaving aside both the humor and the inflammatory comments about intentionally targeting children, you all do realize that
1) the drones in this instance are actually reconnaissance platforms, not warhead-carrying missiles, and their intended use involves them returning to their launching site rather than exploding, and
2) the Linux software in question is for ground control, and therefore presumably will stay at the ground control site in Maryland rather than actually being loaded onto the drones themselves
... right?
US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 12, 2012 12:46 UTC (Tue) by debacle (subscriber, #7114) [Link]
My comment was not related to the original article about drones, but a response to the question of magfr, whether there is a problem in using GPLed software in missiles. My reference to the US Navy was, of course, out of that scope. Sorry, if this lead to misinterpretion.
US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 12, 2012 12:46 UTC (Tue) by etienne (subscriber, #25256) [Link]
But if you capture enough drones,
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/12/more_on_the... either illegally from the point of view of some US representatives; or fully legally considering the point of view of the people actually living in the land; you may want to duplicate the control center to use them, the GPL may then help you...
US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 12, 2012 14:35 UTC (Tue) by ewan (subscriber, #5533) [Link] From the article: "can also be fitted 70mm rockets as needed for other missions".Presumably those are reconnaissance rockets then.
the /rocket/ isn't running Linux Posted Jun 12, 2012 16:14 UTC (Tue) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
The drone is a reconnaissance vehicle, the 70mm rocket is a weapon.
It is quite normal for a reconnaissance mission to be armed. Military forces rarely perform reconnaissance missions on targets known to be friendly, that would be pointless. The distinction from an attack is that the primary _goal_ of the mission is to obtain information.
If they just want to blow something up from a long way away they don't need a drone, ballistic missiles have been available for more than half a century.
the /rocket/ isn't running Linux Posted Jun 12, 2012 16:40 UTC (Tue) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
The CIA and Military have often retrofired their older "reconnaissance drones" drones to carry out strikes on targets.
Of course nowadays they have have given up the pretense and lies about the planned uses of unmanned drones, so these may really be just for reconnaissance. They have much larger and more powerful drones for carrying a wide variety of ordinance now then they had in the past.
Right now I expect they are aiming to eliminate the need for civilian contractors to handle the drones in a Xbox fashion. Maybe the goal with these is to explore and establish the procedures of more more autonomous craft. So they can reduce the number of operational people needed in large scale sorties. So before with older systems you'd need 20 operators for 10 drones you might get away with 20 operators for 200 or 300 drones.
As far as drones vs cruise missiles; I am sure that drones have a number of advantages over cruise missiles. One of them is, I expect, they can loiter over a area for long periods of time and be used to identify targets before striking. That way when they bomb a residence of 20 or 30 people the lawyers in the State Department and/or the Military can be reasonably sure that at least one of them is a likely target. Since hte drone is weaponized and already in the area you don't have to wait long before the approval process to finished before you carry out the actually attack. Another likely advantage is that larger drones can be used to carry multiple warheads and weapon platforms that will give them more flexibility and multiple strike capabilities that older more primitive cruise missiles lacked. Especially for 'soft targets'. And in addition they are re-usable so the total operational of cost over a period of months or years is much less then with using a long string of big cruise missiles.
US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 13, 2012 5:31 UTC (Wed) by scientes (guest, #83068) [Link]
Linux also runs on MMU-less ultra-embedded platforms, of which it is used by NASA and the the like.
US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 12, 2012 15:37 UTC (Tue) by SiliconSlick (subscriber, #39955) [Link]
Assuming in either case that the vehicles(s) used were duds and failed to self-terminate/detonate, how receptive will the upstream distributor (the US Navy in this case) be about receiving updates via the same delivery vehicle (of course, with any software updates/fixes applied... e.g. bug #42393 - failed to detonate)???
I could see that leading to some very rapid development... at least in the short term.
US Navy buys Linux to guide drone fleet (The Register) Posted Jun 13, 2012 16:14 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]
There is a third option: a single sheet of paper containing a written offer. If the source code is requested, it gets airdropped and/or delivered via commando-team distribution as suggested elsewhere in this thread. :)
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