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LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpyLinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpyPosted Jun 10, 2012 17:44 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)In reply to: LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy by gregkh Parent article: LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy
Not accepted. Here is how you can fix it or here is what is wrong would serve the purpose. Mocking is hardly essential. Arguing that it is, is ridiculous.
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LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy Posted Jun 11, 2012 5:58 UTC (Mon) by broonie (subscriber, #7078) [Link]
Notice that he said "criticizing and mocking" not just mocking; what tends to actually happen here (for the most part) is that there will be some iterations of "this needs improvement" (possibly on multiple patches). The mocking usually only comes in when the submitter is doing something like not listening to review comments at which point something stronger frequently is actually very helpful.
LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy Posted Jun 18, 2012 13:23 UTC (Mon) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]
> The mocking usually only comes in when the submitter is doing something like not listening to review comments at which point something stronger frequently is actually very helpful.
"Something stronger" is very helpful (in the short term) to the overworked maintainer who needs to let off steam. It'd be great to see proof it is actually effective at anything else.
In this example insults apparently did nothing to quench the thread
(by the way painful people and children tend to feel disregard much stronger than mocking, since the latter is a form of the attention they're after)
LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy Posted Jun 22, 2012 17:51 UTC (Fri) by martinfick (subscriber, #4455) [Link]
So, are you suggesting that mocking is not painful enough?
LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy Posted Jun 22, 2012 22:27 UTC (Fri) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]
I obviously did not say anything that simplistic on such a complex topic.
For a start, there is not one single type/scale of pain.
Anyway pain is not really the main issue with mocking (you might have re-ordered one of my sentences when reading and misplaced "painful"). The main issue with mocking and public humiliation is: it degrades not just the persons involved but the whole group. That could explain why it is much less tolerated in Asian cultures which are often less individualistic.
LinuxCon Japan: Making kernel developers less grumpy Posted Jun 11, 2012 8:44 UTC (Mon) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]
This is a waste of (scarce!) reviewer time. If people were allowed to send crappy patches, some would do it and clog the pipe. It's better for everybody to prevent this from happening on the first place.
I guess most reviewers start as you say (nobody wants to be a dork, after all). It's when you exhaust your patience that the mocking starts.
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