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How easily people forget the history...

Posted May 24, 2012 8:12 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
Parent article: Google wins patent case against Oracle

What I find particularly funny is the Gosling's moans and people's reaction to them.

Gosling says Google "tramped" and "abused" Java developers at Sun, but somehow forgets to add that he himself did the same thing thirty years ago.

And it's not like it was some low-profile unknown sidestory. It was quite a big deal back then. Remember? While Stallman tried to organize community around Emacs with explicitly expressed presumption that all improvements must be given back to him to be incorporated and distributed Gosling went on and created it's own Goslinc Emacs for the new frontiers (Unix was relatively new and tiny back then). Worse: later, when Stallman reused his code to create his own Unix port he went on and demanded to remove his code from Emacs¹ (Google never did that: if Sun or now Oracle wants to reuse pieces of Dalvik in Java it can do that quite legally). And after all that he have the nerve to talk about abuse?

Sorry, but this is hypocrisy, plain and simple.


¹) Strictly speaking it was Unipress, not Gosling, but I don't recall any Gosling's complains WRT that unfairness thus we can safely assume he approved this behavior.


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How easily people forget the history...

Posted May 24, 2012 11:20 UTC (Thu) by job (guest, #670) [Link]

Gosling has quit Oracle so I don't understand his public views in this matter at all. Is he really that outraged that Google did an independent implementation of Java? It's hardly the first, nor the last.

I would be very surprised of Stroustrup expressed outrage in other implementations of C++, or if van Rossum thinks Pypy somehow abuses Python coders. After all, independent implementations is a maturity sign for computer technology. Most ideas doesn't reach that far which puts him together with just a handful other talented language designers in our age.

(In this particular case it is doubly astonishing. I hope nobody could reasonably expect Android to be a success on top of the mess that was J2ME. Even if they built something on top of Sun's code the result would still not run J2ME code.)

How easily people forget the history...

Posted May 24, 2012 14:25 UTC (Thu) by felixfix (subscriber, #242) [Link]

Oh my .... yes, I had forgotten all about Gosling's emacs and all that flap. Well, it was a long time ago, so "easy" is not quite the right word.

Thanks for the reminder. Made me smile. I hope Gosling's ears are burning and his breakfast is feeling a bit nauseous.

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