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Dividing the Linux desktop
LWN.net Weekly Edition for June 13, 2013
A report from pgCon 2013
Little things that matter in language design
the default DE for Ubuntu is Unity, but you can install gnome and kde trivially (apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gnome-desktop or the gui equivalent)
given the size of the various DEs and their dependancies, it makes sense to not try and cram both on a single CD install media.
Posted May 2, 2012 17:44 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
The problem is that people always argue that desktop environments gets shortchanged by distributions unless it's available at install time.
I have never seen it that way, but whatever.
Posted May 2, 2012 17:49 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313)
Ubuntu has spins for most of the DEs where the spin propritizes that DE (kubuntu for KDE, lubuntu for LXDE, etc), so I'd say it's a little less true than for distros that don't offer such spins.
Posted May 2, 2012 18:12 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333)
like these ?
> so I'd say it's a little less true than for distros that don't offer such spins.
Personally I think it's silly. I never understood what was so horrible about 'tasksel install kde-desktop' or whatever is the equivalent.
Posted May 2, 2012 21:00 UTC (Wed) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018)
Yes indeed, my point was triggered by the fact that the support in Fedora for the feature the blog is about is (for now) only available for Gnome.
Don't get me wrong: I am not saying that Mr Poettering should implement it for all DEs, of course. If the KDE devs find the functionality attractive I am sure they can implement it.
The whole point is that I'm tired of this bashing of one side to other, especially Fedora vs Ubuntu: Unity vs Gnome, RPM vs Deb, yum vs apt, one multiarch vs the other multiarch. What a PITA! Guys, do you know that Samsung, the champion of Android on high-end phones plans to have the Galaxy S3 run Windows 8 by October? Let's stop fighting between ourselves: the real competitor is out there!!!
Posted May 3, 2012 17:20 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639)
He's not thumbing his nose at anyone. He's not gloating. He's going... this is cool... and we have it working in GNOME's GDM in Fedora 17... we'd love for other display managers and other distributions to get this working too. We've even provided some high level instructional material for developers of other display managers to help them figure out what they need to do to hook in.
Oh and if you need hardware to test...they can send up some demo units of the pluggable hardware to test. I mean holy crap... offers of free hardware to test against. He's bending over backwards to make it as easy as possible for other implementations to getting support for this coded in.
If the kdm developers want this feature...its not going to be a big deal for them to add. If the developers of lightdm wants this feature...they can probably get it as well. However, I don't expect lightdm developers to make it a priority, as its very Unity specific and if Ubuntu doesn't make the jump to systemd there will be very little pressure to get lightdm extended to support a systemd specific capability. But stranger things have happened.
If Canonical wants to really go after the enterprise desktop space, this would seem like an important feature. Being able to really position Ubuntu better in the thin client market... and maybe even the point of sale markets. This functionality is a business win. The fact that Canonical doesn't see that is troubling. Especially if this works out of the box with livecds...and you can demo the functionality from a cold boot using some random laptop at a meeting with a customer with no icky low level configuration. Enterprise oriented sales teams must be drooling over this.
And FYI, the key here is GDM... not strictly limited to "GNOME the desktop". I'm pretty sure xfce as a session under GDM in Fedora 17 works just fine. Unity2d would probably work fine as well..if there was a systemd using distribution shipping a Unity2d session definition for gdm to expose.
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