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Ubuntu bashingUbuntu bashingPosted May 2, 2012 16:57 UTC (Wed) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018)Parent article: Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature
Weird how he needs to bash Ubuntu in the middle of the article for not having systemd and thus missing this feature, ignoring the fact that Ubuntu has had easy to install LTSP support for quite some time, and which AFAICS Fedora lacks (the helpers, not LTSP itself, of course). Not trying to troll here, but I personally would love to have both in one distribution, with Gnome _and_ KDE support, and which you can name whatever you want (Feduntu comes to mind.) All this incessant bashing is really useless, and distracts form the beauty of the feature presented, which BTW I find stunning.
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Ubuntu bashing Posted May 2, 2012 17:11 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
Doesn't Ubuntu allow you to have both Gnome and KDE? (as well as several other options)
the default DE for Ubuntu is Unity, but you can install gnome and kde trivially (apt-get install kubuntu-desktop gnome-desktop or the gui equivalent)
given the size of the various DEs and their dependancies, it makes sense to not try and cram both on a single CD install media.
Ubuntu bashing Posted May 2, 2012 17:44 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
I can install KDE and many other DEs on Fedora also.
The problem is that people always argue that desktop environments gets shortchanged by distributions unless it's available at install time.
I have never seen it that way, but whatever.
Ubuntu bashing Posted May 2, 2012 17:49 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
> The problem is that people always argue that desktop environments gets shortchanged by distributions unless it's available at install time.
Ubuntu has spins for most of the DEs where the spin propritizes that DE (kubuntu for KDE, lubuntu for LXDE, etc), so I'd say it's a little less true than for distros that don't offer such spins.
Ubuntu bashing Posted May 2, 2012 18:12 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
>Ubuntu has spins for most of the DEs where the spin propritizes that DE (kubuntu for KDE, lubuntu for LXDE, etc),
like these ?
> so I'd say it's a little less true than for distros that don't offer such spins.
Personally I think it's silly. I never understood what was so horrible about 'tasksel install kde-desktop' or whatever is the equivalent.
Ubuntu bashing Posted May 2, 2012 21:00 UTC (Wed) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018) [Link]
> Doesn't Ubuntu allow you to have both Gnome and KDE? (as well as several other options)
Yes indeed, my point was triggered by the fact that the support in Fedora for the feature the blog is about is (for now) only available for Gnome.
Don't get me wrong: I am not saying that Mr Poettering should implement it for all DEs, of course. If the KDE devs find the functionality attractive I am sure they can implement it.
The whole point is that I'm tired of this bashing of one side to other, especially Fedora vs Ubuntu: Unity vs Gnome, RPM vs Deb, yum vs apt, one multiarch vs the other multiarch. What a PITA! Guys, do you know that Samsung, the champion of Android on high-end phones plans to have the Galaxy S3 run Windows 8 by October? Let's stop fighting between ourselves: the real competitor is out there!!!
Ubuntu bashing Posted May 3, 2012 17:20 UTC (Thu) by jspaleta (subscriber, #50639) [Link]
He in fact points to a freedesktop url so that display manager writers can learn how to hook into the systemd specific bits correctly to get access to this.
He's not thumbing his nose at anyone. He's not gloating. He's going... this is cool... and we have it working in GNOME's GDM in Fedora 17... we'd love for other display managers and other distributions to get this working too. We've even provided some high level instructional material for developers of other display managers to help them figure out what they need to do to hook in.
Look here
Oh and if you need hardware to test...they can send up some demo units of the pluggable hardware to test. I mean holy crap... offers of free hardware to test against. He's bending over backwards to make it as easy as possible for other implementations to getting support for this coded in.
If the kdm developers want this feature...its not going to be a big deal for them to add. If the developers of lightdm wants this feature...they can probably get it as well. However, I don't expect lightdm developers to make it a priority, as its very Unity specific and if Ubuntu doesn't make the jump to systemd there will be very little pressure to get lightdm extended to support a systemd specific capability. But stranger things have happened.
If Canonical wants to really go after the enterprise desktop space, this would seem like an important feature. Being able to really position Ubuntu better in the thin client market... and maybe even the point of sale markets. This functionality is a business win. The fact that Canonical doesn't see that is troubling. Especially if this works out of the box with livecds...and you can demo the functionality from a cold boot using some random laptop at a meeting with a customer with no icky low level configuration. Enterprise oriented sales teams must be drooling over this.
And FYI, the key here is GDM... not strictly limited to "GNOME the desktop". I'm pretty sure xfce as a session under GDM in Fedora 17 works just fine. Unity2d would probably work fine as well..if there was a systemd using distribution shipping a Unity2d session definition for gdm to expose.
-jef
LTSP vs multi-seat Posted May 2, 2012 17:18 UTC (Wed) by jreiser (subscriber, #11027) [Link]
About the only commonality between LTSP and multi-seat is the number of displays, keyboards, and mice. Multi-seat has 1 "computer [box]", one hardware display card [although can be more], one filesystem. LTSP has one "computer [box]" per seat, one hardware display card per seat, often one root filesystem per seat. LTSP uses ethernet, multi-seat uses USB2.0 [often in "star" configuration, although using hubs and/or daisy-chaining also works.]
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