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Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 FeaturePoettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 FeaturePosted May 2, 2012 16:42 UTC (Wed) by jra (subscriber, #55261)Parent article: Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature
I really like Lennart's work, and this looks like a wonderful project, but does he *really* have to try and slam Ubuntu every chance he gets. (I'm talking about this section:
"Oh, and BTW, as Ubuntu appears to be "focussing" on "clarity" in the "cloud" now ;-), and chose Upstart instead of systemd, this feature won't be available in Ubuntu any time soon. That's (one detail of) the price Ubuntu has to pay for choosing to maintain it's own (largely legacy, such as ConsoleKit) plumbing stack."
That section could have been removed from the article without detracting at all from the information in it. In order for Fedora to "win", Ubuntu does not have to lose.
It's such a shame and it detracts from the technical excellence of what he otherwise does.
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Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 2, 2012 16:59 UTC (Wed) by rvfh (subscriber, #31018) [Link]
Seems we are basically saying the same thing. Happy to see I am not the only one!
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 2, 2012 19:43 UTC (Wed) by tuna (guest, #44480) [Link]
"That section could have been removed from the article without detracting at all from the information in it. In order for Fedora to "win", Ubuntu does not have to lose."
This LWN article links to Poettering's blog post, not a news article. If you have to be diplomatic to Ubuntu/Fedora/other fanboys (or fangirls) all the time, what is the fun of having a blog?
IMO, you are allowed to gloat if you do something good.
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 2, 2012 21:26 UTC (Wed) by engla (guest, #47454) [Link]
> IMO, you are allowed to gloat if you do something good.
It's divisive. Some will cheer you on and for others you will look dumb. I'd prefer Lennart didn't make Ubuntu's choice into a We vs. Them scenario.
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 2, 2012 22:53 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
I don't think it's a big sin.
Especially when Mark Shuttleworth writes a blog post about your product claiming that he can't use it because it has substandard quality due to inherent bad design choices and has no testing behind it.
I know I would find that irritating and would want to point out when my project does something really cool in a relatively simple manner due to it's design.
That being said it's not classy. Just goes to show the guy can be easily provoked. Not a big deal, IMO.
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 3, 2012 1:33 UTC (Thu) by jmorris42 (subscriber, #2203) [Link]
> I don't think it's a big sin.
Agreed. This is a pretty big win if it really works in the real world. I'd say big enough to finally justify all the bluster about systemd in the first place. To date it has been more pain than gain for most users, this development promises to change that equation entirely by having a major feature to point to.
So let him gloat a bit, especially since Ubuntu started this particular blogwar.
Not saying I'm going to stop saying nasty things about Poettering from time to time when he strays from the "Unix Way". Most of the time he seems to either be really wrong or really right. This time he is looking really right. MultiSeat is about as "Unix Way" as it gets.
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 3, 2012 2:52 UTC (Thu) by jonabbey (subscriber, #2736) [Link]
systems (and pam_systemd in particular) are already a big deal. It's helping us out a lot in letting us safely efficiently use some big Fedora 16 systems as remote browsing servers with NX.
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 3, 2012 2:53 UTC (Thu) by jonabbey (subscriber, #2736) [Link]
systemd, not systems, gah.
Poettering: The Most Awesome, Least-Advertised Fedora 17 Feature Posted May 3, 2012 10:05 UTC (Thu) by ovitters (subscriber, #27950) [Link]
He likes to advocate what he believes is right. He does so in real life and similar in his blog.
Though he does a lot of advocacy, you can criticise him all you want. Just be prepared for a (eventual) long technical argument. Eventually he might or might not agree with you... but it seems to be always based on what is technically the best solution.
I'm not sure the advocacy is effective in getting his points across for all cultures. E.g. seems to be interpreted as personal by some. I like the clarity it gives.
Not saying something because it might be considered politically correct by some: clearly he does things different.
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